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    Darkling
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    I'd like to add a little clarity to the rumours spreading about CS:S ZE/RU community returning.

    I'll refer to GFLclan.ru as RU and GFLclan.com as GFL to make this easier.

     

    Juky (whom some of you may remember) had got into contact with @Roy as he had some concerns with keeping the server hosted on their end. They then discussed the possible return to us, and before that decision was finalised, there were some terms from both ends.

     

    • Juky, Shinigami and Botox will, at this moment in time, remain banned
    • The server will be moved to our OVH server and the plugins will be recompiled to ensure the servers safety
    • Current permanent VIPs within RU will transfer over to GFL
    • The server will be having 2 server managers (@Dogan and @Backy) from within the RU community—Soft Serve and Vanya’s official ranks are still under discussion
    • The current server rules and admin team of CS:S ZE will remain as they currently are
    • As is currently the norm, global admins (Council/DL/TA) will also respect the rules within that server and will ensure that if they are to join the server that they familiarise themselves with said rules

     

    There are also a couple of points I will mention. For instance, due to the current issues within RU, the donations from RU will not be transferring over to GFL; this is in relation to the issue above about hosting the server. There are also discussions happening to unban Juky (he would not be given a rank), as thanks for bringing both communities together and to enable him to continue playing on CS:S ZE. Feel free to comment your opinion as well.

     

    These are the majority of terms which were discussed and are relatively simple. We would like to ensure that CS:S ZE isn't altered as much as possible, as we don't want to alienate the current players.

    Overall, we believe this is a good step for both communities in burying the hatchet and moving on. I would also like to thank the RU members who have been involved within these discussions, especially Juky, who initially brought this to us and helped find common ground between the communities.

     

    This means that we will start seeing people from RU getting involved within GFL over the next few weeks, I'd love if we could make them feel welcome and get to know each other as one big community bound by a common interest!

     

    If you'd like to read over RU's post on this topic it is here: https://forum.gflclan.ru/d/935-a-tale-of-two-turfs-community-merge-backstory They do cover some points which I haven't within this post.

     

    I am also going to link the CS:S ZE Discord for anyone who is interested in getting to know some of the RU members before this move is fully completed: https://discordapp.com/invite/JyAxA7K

     

    Finally, I’d also like to personally welcome everyone from RU and I hope to get to know as many of you as possible in the near future!

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    Will the server location be changing to a location similar to the CS:GO server? I'm just interested since me along with a lot of fellow Australian/Asian/South American people get better latency on the global offensive server and would (I'd assume) prefer to have the server located in Chicago like the GO server. I understand that a few people may get better latency on the CSS server than the GO one but I'm guessing more people would benefit from the GO server's location. *I'm just sharing my view, don't take it too seriously* :happytree:

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    I'd also like to call for the unbanning of juky, shini and botox as well. In short, I was there during that time period, and even from an outside point of view, .coms management was pretty shit. I mean you guys did eventually improve over time and get some your shit together. However, unless you can prove that juky, shini, or botox acted out of ill will or selfishness, you'll end up looking like a bunch of jerks who screwed up big time and then took it out on people who actually cared as for the players and where their donation money was going towards. 

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    13 minutes ago, gkuo88 said:

    I'd also like to call for the unbanning of juky, shini and botox as well. In short, I was there during that time period, and even from an outside point of view, .coms management was pretty shit. I mean you guys did eventually improve over time and get some your shit together. However, unless you can prove that juky, shini, or botox acted out of ill will or selfishness, you'll end up looking like a bunch of jerks who screwed up big time and then took it out on people who actually cared as for the players and where their donation money was going towards. 

    Juky is unbanned already.

     

    Juky, Shini and BotoX could easily have brought up to Roy and the current Council members, yet they moved the servers. While yes, they took care of ZE.

     

    Our donation money have always gone towards paying the boxes, ever since SoJa was banned of course.

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    Then follow up with botox and shini plz. They made those choices out of goodwill. At the same time should we also hold the entire rest of the council to blame for not noticing that money was missing? Even when you guys had the #1 Community servers on both CSS and CSGO? (CSGO being the 2nd most played game on steam at the time) Even when you realized that you were low on money, the first choice of action was to implement ads rather than checking the books? And for a few months no one else noticed anything or brought up anything until the split finally occurred?

     

    Face it, both groups have faults, but its a dickish move to pinpoint it all on one group. There was barely even an opposition at that time because management was bad enough that many players actually knew of it and were upset. I understand the aspect of removing power from them, but denying them to play zombie escape is pretty much childish revenge. Seriously what harm can they do?

     

     

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    Are Botox and Shini even asking?  It sounds me to me like an unban would be more ceremonial than functional.  Probably not even a big deal...  I would imagine if I were in a position of leadership, then I would probably lift the ban just to entertain you and others.

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    27 minutes ago, Joshy said:

    Are Botox and Shini even asking?  It sounds me to me like an unban would be more ceremonial than functional.  Probably not even a big deal...  I would imagine if I were in a position of leadership, then I would probably lift the ban just to entertain you and others.

    I saw Botox on CSS today and I'm assuming he was on ZE so I figure he'd still like to at least play on the server he worked on from time to time.

    If it's not a big deal than unban them, it's not like they can harm the server if unbanned

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    59 minutes ago, gkuo88 said:

    Then follow up with botox and shini plz. They made those choices out of goodwill.

    I won't comment on BotoX since I never cared to associate with him, but I can comment on Shini since I know him more than the majority of people in .ru, barring a few. Shini and I used to speak fairly frequently, and I can absolutely tell you that Shini is NOT a good person. Besides going beyond the scope of .ru and admitting that he only wanted to spite Roy, he was also early to admit that the servers he acquired AFTER CS:S ZE was a matter of theft. The unofficial policy held by .ru higher-ups at the time—including Juky—was that it wasn't theft, but rather "taking back" what belonged to them. Not quite the case with Shini.

     

    I know Juky had good intentions, and I don't know about BotoX, but I can assure you that Shini was devoid of "goodwill". I'm not really interested in debating the rights and wrongs of something that happened two years ago, but I felt as though I had to make it clear that Shini is rotten.

     

    59 minutes ago, gkuo88 said:

    At the same time should we also hold the entire rest of the council to blame for not noticing that money was missing?

    I was Council at the time, and we (Council) didn't have any form of control or access to view the background actions in the finances. People could come up with whatever theories they wanted as to why the PayPal balance was falling so low, but nothing was proven until BotoX made it public. People were right to suspect at the time that Roy was aware of SoJa taking the money (even if he's actually innocent), but there's no reason to think any further than that.

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    7 minutes ago, Shuruia said:

    I won't comment on BotoX since I never cared to associate with him, but I can comment on Shini since I know him more than the majority of people in .ru, barring a few. Shini and I used to speak fairly frequently, and I can absolutely tell you that Shini is NOT a good person. Besides going beyond the scope of .ru and admitting that he only wanted to spite Roy, he was also early to admit that the servers he acquired AFTER CS:S ZE was a matter of theft. The unofficial policy held by .ru higher-ups at the time—including Juky—was that it wasn't theft, but rather "taking back" what belonged to them. Not quite the case with Shini.

     

    I know Juky had good intentions, and I don't know about BotoX, but I can assure you that Shini was devoid of "goodwill". I'm not really interested in debating the rights and wrongs of something that happened two years ago, but I felt as though I had to make it clear that Shini is rotten.

     

    I was Council at the time, and we (Council) didn't have any form of control or access to view the background actions in the finances. People could come up with whatever theories they wanted as to why the PayPal balance was falling so low, but nothing was proven until BotoX made it public. People were right to suspect at the time that Roy was aware of SoJa taking the money (even if he's actually innocent), but there's no reason to think any further than that.

    I suppose I will add to this I was waiting for someone else to say something but iirc even @juky was not exactly for the servers @shinigami_senpai took and was informed about it after the fact and went along with it so sadly you are not wrong about what you are saying I don't personally like you or agreeing with you on things but I mean you are not wrong about this.

     

    and as for botox he is well a lose cannon @Major_Push made a very good analogy ages ago with him and iirc it was pretty much the concept scorpion asking for frog to give him a ride across the river at some point in time scorpion decided to slip with the stinger and kill the frog and they both died all due to a simply well angry creature being left alone and allowed to make use of a frog which was a peaceful creature who could keep things afloat.

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    12 hours ago, Shuruia said:

    I was Council at the time, and we (Council) didn't have any form of control or access to view the background actions in the finances. People could come up with whatever theories they wanted as to why the PayPal balance was falling so low, but nothing was proven until BotoX made it public. People were right to suspect at the time that Roy was aware of SoJa taking the money (even if he's actually innocent), but there's no reason to think any further than that.

     

    Sorry but I have got to argue with that last point here. What sort of "council" were you guys anyways? Cause from what it sounds it seems you guys were more of a mouthpiece for those who actually got to make any sort of decision. You were already getting into financial decisions with implementing ads and no one cared to think a tiny bit farther "hey maybe we should look into this so players shouldn't have to deal with more annoyances on the servers"? The moment the lack of donations began to actively take a toll on the players, it should have been the time to at least do something. Who exactly was supposed to have brought this up? If the council, the second highest authority here, didn't find reason think any further, then wouldn't the problem have continually persisted? If a similar incident occurs in the future, are we supposed to wait until one of the four directors finally decides to think a bit further?

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    7 minutes ago, gkuo88 said:

     

    Sorry but I have got to argue with that last point here. What sort of "council" were you guys anyways? Cause from what it sounds it seems you guys were more of a mouthpiece for those who actually got to make any sort of decision. You were already getting into financial decisions with implementing ads and no one cared to think a tiny bit farther "hey maybe we should look into this so players shouldn't have to deal with more annoyances on the servers"? The moment the lack of donations began to actively take a toll on the players, it should have been the time to at least do something. Who exactly was supposed to have brought this up? If the council, the second highest authority here, didn't find reason think any further, then wouldn't the problem have continually persisted? If a similar incident occurs in the future, are we supposed to wait until one of the four directors finally decides to think a bit further?

    Let's keep it civil just do this in private messages.

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    2 hours ago, gkuo88 said:

     

    Sorry but I have got to argue with that last point here. What sort of "council" were you guys anyways? Cause from what it sounds it seems you guys were more of a mouthpiece for those who actually got to make any sort of decision. You were already getting into financial decisions with implementing ads and no one cared to think a tiny bit farther "hey maybe we should look into this so players shouldn't have to deal with more annoyances on the servers"? The moment the lack of donations began to actively take a toll on the players, it should have been the time to at least do something. Who exactly was supposed to have brought this up? If the council, the second highest authority here, didn't find reason think any further, then wouldn't the problem have continually persisted? If a similar incident occurs in the future, are we supposed to wait until one of the four directors finally decides to think a bit further?

    His Council would be the equivalent of Directors if today. The old Council had more power and were the highest rank.

     

     

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    3 hours ago, gkuo88 said:

     

    Sorry but I have got to argue with that last point here. What sort of "council" were you guys anyways? Cause from what it sounds it seems you guys were more of a mouthpiece for those who actually got to make any sort of decision. You were already getting into financial decisions with implementing ads and no one cared to think a tiny bit farther "hey maybe we should look into this so players shouldn't have to deal with more annoyances on the servers"? The moment the lack of donations began to actively take a toll on the players, it should have been the time to at least do something. Who exactly was supposed to have brought this up? If the council, the second highest authority here, didn't find reason think any further, then wouldn't the problem have continually persisted? If a similar incident occurs in the future, are we supposed to wait until one of the four directors finally decides to think a bit further?

    I suppose I can answer your question so what happened was no one could see the donations or the money in the bank we can't exactly blame the old council as iirc they did not have access to see it and well many of the people who had council at the time where also the same people that where doing the whole split there was maybe like 2 other people who where not a part of it iirc and @Shuruia was one of those two botox being well botox obtained access to see the records by not so what I would call legal means and these means of obtaining access to see the records that where not public in any shape or form where most likely illegal and highly invasive so long story short the one thing the council lacked at the time was the ability to see the donations as the donations themselfs where not even up on the forums for a very long time about a whole year if you are wondering there was no donations for gfl IPS plugin aka this box nRA1JthMRWiCAplPr3EQow.png was not on the forums and the last time it was seen and I even remember talking with calvin at the time and people where happy about it because it hit 17k something and I remember calvin bringing it up ages ago while in ts3 with him and the only person you could even look at who tbf was completely within reason of not checking up on it every day of his life was well @Roy simply because he had @SoJa take care of that.

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