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Posted  Edited by TheSadBandit
5 minutes ago, Syntax said:

It's not called socialist-based, it's called a flat structure, in which the team operates by itself, an example would be a call center.

Except, teams are too small. And individuals need to be handed out tasks separately. It's less about the structure, more about you and I as individuals being inactive or not, productive or otherwise. If things don't work out this time, we might want to look for:

 

  • Individuals whom are inactive.
  • Individuals who refuse to co-operate.
  • Individuals who create/spark drama.
  • Individuals what are active, yet are not productive.
  • Individuals that are not qualified for the job.

And many more criterias which we could filter, to then fix the problem from it's roots.

True there, though I tend to look at more how my team would work better under certain conditions, the team also didn't work by itself, I would generally tag a certain person or role to complete a project, from there on out they would do it themselves, which gives them more freedom and less work for the leader to do if the selected role member communicated directly with the requester. Before me there really was no structure, there weren't any projects flowing into the Media Team, and people wouldn't respond to @team pings, which was an issue in my POV, I had that quickly changed and one of the big things I worked on was punctuality on projects finished, which could be debated on the whole "inactive" word, because they could be inactive on forums & on the discord, but if you ping them they respond and finish/ed work in 1 week or less, depending on the scale of the project of course, some took months to finish. 

 

I like the set of criteria, though some could be reworded or worked down to fit all teams, because I know for a fact not all will be actively chatting, but if you need something done, they're there to do it, one example is radify, he never chatted much in any of the channels, since he has more of a busy life-style, though he always got his requests done on time, and is able to balance both. 

 

I like you, you're a good debater, you put facts out there and express yourself in a positive way without offending others, we truly do need more members like you in GFL.

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1 hour ago, TheSadBandit said:

@Joel Reposting since this got re-opened before I could post & because you hid your question, so I'll just go ahead and post a screenshot of your hidden question.

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This is also not to start drama, I just want to know where you stand, so don't hide it like you did your question.

 

You asked me a question & you hid the message, but I’m still going to answer it and ask you a question as well.

 

You saw nothing because during the 1 week you showed up I had an anticipated inactive-ness for 2 weeks that I communicated with the other TLs and Directors through either internal or the Media Team Discord, where I stated I would be away for 2 weeks because it was my finals week, and I had to take time to study and take my finals exams without losing my focus on something else. The team seemed to be on the same page as me about that inactiveness, considering they didn’t tag me or anything and everything was done through Rose, the 2nd in Command, which is the role that is there for when I have shit like that to do. So you showed up during the 2 week time period in which I said I was going to be inactive and started changing shit, you didn’t tell any of the 2 leaders what changes you were doing, and you even said “I don’t think if Rick would be ok with me sharing my ideas”, and after further talking to him he said he had give you the OK to start sharing your ideas with us. You caused a lot of chaos. That’s enough for that, but what changes did I make?

 

I started the Trainee role, which though had failed, it introduced 4 new people to the Media Team, it opened the Media Team for GFL to see that it was active and was actively changing to what the team wanted it to be changed to. I would advertise for people to join media team heavily, everyday for about a month, everyone on GFL saw it, you can ask anyone that was active during that time, someone who I'd like to point out always DMed me about this was @rapperdan. I also separated roles that didn’t have anything to do with Media Team from the Media Team, aka PR and EC. I hadn’t seen them as active roles, and no one in Media Team wanted to take a shot at it, they were kind of just there, so I gave them to Council to do something with those roles, and now that the roles are going to be reunited in a team again, it’s like a slap in the face. It didn’t work in the past, even under good leadership, and for some reason it’s going to work now? I also worked on big GFL Projects, some that should be worked on right now, and some personal projects. I mainly managed the team and assigned members to do certain works based on their knowledge of their role, for example, making gifs & awesome signatures were @Chef_ & @Radify, making some dope loading screens & pfps were @RVFK and @rose (I cant find her @), etc. So I got to know my members 1-on-1 and changed the Media Team to how they wanted it, and gave them the freedom they deserved instead of having to document how many hours they needed to have done, I gave them the freedom to doc their hours how they wanted, but had to give results of projects in no more than 1 week’s time, and they did an awesome job at that. I created the 2nd in Command role to be something as the Server Manager role is, a manager for each branch, because I envisioned the Media Team growing big enough where it couldn’t be managed by one person, and big projects could be done so fast it’d be insane. That didn’t work out how I expected it to, and cut down on that idea. 

 

Now here’s the question I’ve asked ever since you were put in TL: What changes have you/will you do to the team? Because ever since I asked that question the answer has always been a “you will see” or “changes are coming”, and I’ve given you in detail what I’ve done, so I’d like for you to do the same.

Could I get an answer to this question? I'll just ask it again:

What changes have you done in the Media Team & what changes do you plan on doing?


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@TheSadBandit You want some facts? Directors chose this change out of 3. Current Council did NOT have a say on what they chose. We are trying hard to make it all work and the first thing you do is start ranting on and sound hurt from being demoted while you were inactive for WAY more than 2 weeks. The general activity amongst several TLs were lacking and/or the activity from the team members.

So please wait for more announcements and see what will happen. It hasn't even been a week...
If I or other staff see more unrelated stuff posted we'll hide it from here on out. 


Thanks.


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Posted  Edited by rapperdan
11 hours ago, Worgee said:

@TheSadBandit You want some facts? Directors chose this change out of 3. Current Council did NOT have a say on what they chose. We are trying hard to make it all work and the first thing you do is start ranting on and sound hurt from being demoted while you were inactive for WAY more than 2 weeks. The general activity amongst several TLs were lacking and/or the activity from the team members.

So please wait for more announcements and see what will happen. It hasn't even been a week...
If I or other staff see more unrelated stuff posted we'll hide it from here on out. 


Thanks.

keep digging the rabbit hole and say how it is the directors fault and it's kind of ironic when I look at my old discord ban appeal also no need to hide as it's already hidden upon posting : )

how many bridges can someone burn in order to save ones self before it bites you in the ass 1 2 3 4 maybe 20k plus members who will be effected perhaps?

stop trying to save face and think over what you post for once in your damn life because there is such a fine line some people are skating atm and you can say that "dan is being toxic again" but every one really knows who is being toxic who has to deal with any of you lads in private and it's not pretty and the statements said are very very offensive to not just a team anymore but the masses that I have defended you against yourselve so stop digging.

 

and the oddest thing of all is that I feel as though this is anything but something created by the directors tbh I feel the directors are better then before and seem to actually listen it's sad to see some people misguiding them to such a massive degree.

 

not sure why this was unhidden as it was ment to not be seen and I shared with a few who I felt are effected by this whole shit storm but hey if people want this public I have no issues with it being the such I suppose, not exactly sure who made it unhidden but dear god I hope there was a legitimate reason upon undoing it.

 

also what can be done in terms of options for anyone with my rank after making something that is hidden and showcasing how you can't unhide it yourself anyways the post was made because I don't believe in public shaming even when others can't up hold the same mindset I tend to remain the mature one because I think with my head and not some misguided emotional mess which I am seeing atm

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as you can see there is no option to unhide so again try to avoid pulling a fast one.

anyways I just tend to keep a window open upon making such content and edit it as time goes on nothing more nothing less pretty simple if you ask me.

this also proves my point farther on how I am never the one causing drama I just tend to get involved because I don't like it and care enough to say something about it I rest my case.

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1 hour ago, Worgee said:

@TheSadBandit You want some facts? Directors chose this change out of 3. Current Council did NOT have a say on what they chose. We are trying hard to make it all work and the first thing you do is start ranting on and sound hurt from being demoted while you were inactive for WAY more than 2 weeks. The general activity amongst several TLs were lacking and/or the activity from the team members.

So please wait for more announcements and see what will happen. It hasn't even been a week...
If I or other staff see more unrelated stuff posted we'll hide it from here on out. 


Thanks.

Demoted? Resign =/= demoted

Fired =/= resign

there's a difference, I chose to step down.

Also I'd like for Joel to answer my question that I asked 4 hours ago, since I answered his, he seems  to be hiding from me for some reason?


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On 1/7/2019 at 1:43 PM, Joel said:

Move MA to PR team.

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:wtfalex:

Am I going crazy or does MA stand for member acceptor, not event management and media team?

It's alright, member acceptors have been the real PR all along anyway. :omegalul:


 

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Posted  Edited by TheSadBandit
1 minute ago, Jat said:

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:wtfalex:

Am I going crazy or does MA stand for member acceptor, not event management and media team?

It's alright, member acceptors have been the real PR all along anyway. :omegalul:

MA stands for Managerial Accounting bro, let's get real and to the facts ok? :omegalul:

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Posted  Edited by Zexired

Disregarding the shitposting for a sec.

Just keep stuff simple, there's no need to have an overarching hierarchy with overlapping priorities.
The old saying goes "Keep It Simple Stupid" which can be applied to just about everything, within reason.

I know that this whole change doesn't affect myself personally, but these changes are messy (as is this whole post). And it's a bit odd to see literally every other rank under the sun being integrated into GFL Internal Discord, but not something as critical as MA; which is a heavy stakeholder within GFL as a whole let-alone GFL's personal relations as it's a players first interaction within the GFL community bar that of the server they play on.

I don't know too much about the GFL 'Politics' (for lack of a better word) but these changes do seem unnecessary, and could; with a fair bit of brainstorming; preferably between people with contradicting opinions;
(i.e. Rapperdan + Queue, Sadbandit, literally anyone.) actually work.

 

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Shoot me in the head and call me XXXTENTACION because this makes me sad.

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1 minute ago, motorsteak said:

just trying to offer what help i can is all. 

yeah saying "who hurt you" in public out of the blue is amazing help mr mod. good job


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4 hours ago, Worgee said:

Directors chose this change out of 3. Current Council did NOT have a say on what they chose.

I haven't seen any comments from the directors. Could any of them explain why this was necessary or why they voted for it?


 

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Posted  Edited by TheSadBandit - Edit Reason: edited time
7 hours ago, TheSadBandit said:

@Joel Reposting since this got re-opened before I could post & because you hid your question, so I'll just go ahead and post a screenshot of your hidden question.

 

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This is also not to start drama, I just want to know where you stand, so don't hide it like you did your question.

 

You asked me a question & you hid the message, but I’m still going to answer it and ask you a question as well.

 

You saw nothing because during the 1 week you showed up I had an anticipated inactive-ness for 2 weeks that I communicated with the other TLs and Directors through either internal or the Media Team Discord, where I stated I would be away for 2 weeks because it was my finals week, and I had to take time to study and take my finals exams without losing my focus on something else. The team seemed to be on the same page as me about that inactiveness, considering they didn’t tag me or anything and everything was done through Rose, the 2nd in Command, which is the role that is there for when I have shit like that to do. So you showed up during the 2 week time period in which I said I was going to be inactive and started changing shit, you didn’t tell any of the 2 leaders what changes you were doing, and you even said “I don’t think if Rick would be ok with me sharing my ideas”, and after further talking to him he said he had give you the OK to start sharing your ideas with us. You caused a lot of chaos. That’s enough for that, but what changes did I make?

 

I started the Trainee role, which though had failed, it introduced 4 new people to the Media Team, it opened the Media Team for GFL to see that it was active and was actively changing to what the team wanted it to be changed to. I would advertise for people to join media team heavily, everyday for about a month, everyone on GFL saw it, you can ask anyone that was active during that time, someone who I'd like to point out always DMed me about this was rapperdan. I also separated roles that didn’t have anything to do with Media Team from the Media Team, aka PR and EC. I hadn’t seen them as active roles, and no one in Media Team wanted to take a shot at it, they were kind of just there, so I gave them to Council to do something with those roles, and now that the roles are going to be reunited in a team again, it’s like a slap in the face. It didn’t work in the past, even under good leadership, and for some reason it’s going to work now? I also worked on big GFL Projects, some that should be worked on right now, and some personal projects. I mainly managed the team and assigned members to do certain works based on their knowledge of their role, for example, making gifs & awesome signatures were Chef & Radify, making some dope loading screens & pfps were RVFK and @rose (I cant find her @), etc. So I got to know my members 1-on-1 and changed the Media Team to how they wanted it, and gave them the freedom they deserved instead of having to document how many hours they needed to have done, I gave them the freedom to doc their hours how they wanted, but had to give results of projects in no more than 1 week’s time, and they did an awesome job at that. I created the 2nd in Command role to be something as the Server Manager role is, a manager for each branch, because I envisioned the Media Team growing big enough where it couldn’t be managed by one person, and big projects could be done so fast it’d be insane. That didn’t work out how I expected it to, and cut down on that idea. 

 

Now here’s the question I’ve asked ever since you were put in TL: What changes have you/will you do to the team? Because ever since I asked that question the answer has always been a “you will see” or “changes are coming”, and I’ve given you in detail what I’ve done, so I’d like for you to do the same.

2nd time I ask if I can stop being dodged about this question. I know you've seen it twice, here's a 3rd time. It doesn't take 7 hours for you to write a response, this one for example took me 10 minutes. You asked a question and I responded, now you do the same Mr. Council member.

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7 minutes ago, TheSadBandit said:

2nd time I ask if I can stop being dodged about this question. I know you've seen it twice, here's a 3rd time. It doesn't take 7 hours for you to write a response, this one for example took me 10 minutes. You asked a question and I responded, now you do the same Mr. Council member.

 

While it is a fair question, there could be many reasons for a 7 hour gap.

 

Could be on mobile while at work, at school, etc. and typing a lot on mobile is an absolute bitch. Could be writing a formal post so people aren't on the offensive about how short or informal the post is or any other, at least in regards to the "what will you do" question.

 

Regardless, I am looking forward to his answer since it's good to know what's planned, if anything at the moment. Also, we should all realize that coming up with plans but not actually thinking about how to execute them beforehand is a poor decision. Nothing is worse than failed proposals. Anyway, that's my 2 cents but we'll see.


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Just now, Major_Push said:

 

While it is a fair question, there could be many reasons for a 7 hour gap.

 

Could be on mobile while at work, at school, etc. and typing a lot on mobile is an absolute bitch. Could be writing a formal post so people aren't on the offensive about how short or informal the post is or any other, at least in regards to the "what will you do" question.

 

Regardless, I am looking forward to his answer since it's good to know what's planned, if anything at the moment. Also, we should all realize that coming up with plans but not actually thinking about how to execute them beforehand is a poor decision. Nothing is worse than failed proposals. Anyway, that's my 2 cents but we'll see.

Considering the way that was replied to this: 

 

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I'm not sure he's going for the 'formal' post.

 

I was going to like your comment (but I can't add any more reactions), because it was a formal and polite response, something I'd like more people in higher positions to implement and try to improve the image of GFL, instead of tarnishing it by posting what is exactly on their minds without a filter.

 

About the plans: I was told he already had the plans set on paper, and the reason he had gotten the role was to implement them, it's been about 2-3 weeks since my resignation and about one month since he's gotten the rank and I've seen no changes at all on front-side GFL, though there could be changes in behind-the-scenes GFL. That is/was my main issue with this whole deal of him getting staff, the ability for the changes planned to actually be executed. 


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1 minute ago, TheSadBandit said:

Considering the way that was replied to this: 

 

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I'm not sure he's going for the 'formal' post.

 

I was going to like your comment (but I can't add any more reactions), because it was a formal and polite response, something I'd like more people in higher positions to implement and try to improve the image of GFL, instead of tarnishing it by posting what is exactly on their minds without a filter.

 

About the plans: I was told he already had the plans set on paper, and the reason he had gotten the role was to implement them, it's been about 2-3 weeks since my resignation and about one month since he's gotten the rank and I've seen no changes at all on front-side GFL, though there could be changes in behind-the-scenes GFL. That is/was my main issue with this whole deal of him getting staff, the ability for the changes planned to actually be executed. 

 

Perhaps he regretted a momentary lapse in reason, hence the hide?

 

Well, I guess he can answer it when he makes a post eventually. I'd give it a day. Sometimes it's hard to write a post you feel satisfactory with when it seems like there's a lot of people angry with you. Some things can be taken as promises when they're not meant to be, some things can be read as veiled insults when they're not, etc. Anyway, all I can say is we should wait and see. Don't want to rush out a poorly written or thought out post, you know?

 

Having plans is good but being able to explain them properly is also equally important or else you risk being scorned. 


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My goal when pursuing the creation of a council rank was to put in place a simple and coherent staff team structure so that we can finally move past this seemingly eternal cycle of bullshit and focus on things that actually make a difference, like the servers. The creation of council actually has a purpose. The purpose being to create a rank of people who could serve as the face of GFL, assist the directors with maintaining the community (more so than a team leader could), settle disputes and drama (not cause them 🙄), and overall be a figure in the community that people could go to when they have an issue. However, I don't really see what the team merge does other than change some names around. From what I gather, the team merge puts Worgee and Joel in charge of all of GFLs teams except moderation. Which is fine, two leaders should be enough to get things back into shape, right? No, underneath them, there are 3 subleaders, Aura for the Media team, Private Pull for the PR, and Worgee for events (until somebody suitable is found). So essentially we have a large PR team with three smaller teams, each with their own leader, inside of it. Because the subleaders seem to be the main person working on their team and the primary leaders are to only step in if needed, this makes 0 sense to me, but only because this is already the job of the council ( the council is supposed to interfere with a team only when a team needs interfering, they are otherwise not supposed to be heavily involved with teams unless working on projects that directly involved a team)

So it essentially what we got now

Directors > Council > PR Lead > PR subleaders (rose, Worgee, pull) > subteam (media, events, and PR respectively) members

Is functionally identical to the preteamleader way

Directors > Council > Media Lead (PR/Events did not yet exist) > Media Members

(Current eq would be Director > Council > Team Lead > Team member)

So my interpretation of this, correct me if I'm wrong, is that this is a rank rename and some redundancy in the team hierarchy that doesn't actually change anything.

But overall I disagree with the notion that we should merge 3 teams different functions into one because there is really no reason to do so. It seems to be that it is commonly stated that the merge would increase communication and cooperation within our teams, but team members have always been able to communicate because they are all in the internal discord (team discords should have been removed upon allowing teams into internal, but for whatever reason, they still exist).

What is the purpose of having

(Diagram excludes mods and devs for sale of simplicity, if they were included they would be next to PR, but not tied to the other teams)

GFL > PR > MT, PR, EM

Over

GFL > PR, MT, EM, Mods, Devs

if regardless of how the hierarchy looks, the people ultimately in control (council) and total number of functional team entities is the same anyways?

 

6 hours ago, Worgee said:

ranting on and sound hurt from being demoted while

Really?


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I have to say, for someone who should in charge of relations to the public, I think you might have the been the most out of touch with the general public.

 

Demoted many MA members and didn't notify any of the demotion. Why was the demotion needed, how did it help the MA team?

 

Now for the merge of teams, were the teams aware of it, was it discussed with them or was it a private discussion where you thought could work out and solve every single problem?

 

What's the point of sub-leaders? Do they have a final say on anything? Are the senior members there to help "regular" members? What role will they fit in that will need a sub-leader?

 

As for MA to PR, why? Let MA be alone, they don't really need a leader at all, just have a council member look at the apps from time to time and discuss with the team of who to accept. 

 

As for you and worgee managing 3 teams under 1, how will you guys do it? What plans you guys got to solve the problems that the teams have in order to be needed to merge them all together? How will their application system work? Will there be any public list of who is what team and what not?

 

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