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On 4/3/2019 at 10:25 PM, Ninja Chris said:

What are you opinions on Vietnamese war veterans? @Malal @gkuo88 @SSPigeonShit

Can't fully blame them for what they did, feels bretty bad for them since communism fucked over and vietnam eventually moved to more capitalist policies, which makes the entire war bretty questionable.

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31 minutes ago, gkuo88 said:

Can't fully blame them for what they did, feels bretty bad for them since communism fucked over and vietnam eventually moved to more capitalist policies, which makes the entire war bretty questionable.

You can't blame American soldiers for murdering innocent civilians?

For raping women?

For murdering babies and children?

For burning people alive?

For torturing people?

For using chemical weapons?

 

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7 hours ago, Malal said:

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Nice meme, but here's the original picture to honor those who are capable of self-thought.
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I'm not 100% Libertarian and I'm also not all against the government, but I stand with values such as tax cuts, less government interference overall, to let the market function on it's own with minor interference (Environment, Human Rights, Basic Interference), and to introduce financial penalties instead of prison. Currently, most US fought wars are through proxy wars and they use private armies, not the US armies. To be on point, 80% of soldiers in the middle east that fight for the US are mercenaries and private armies. Mind justifying that? 

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2 hours ago, Syntax said:

and to introduce financial penalties instead of prison.

You want to turn this shit into Skyrim

>murder man

>pay $1000 fine

>go on with your day

Prison is certainly needed for certain crimes to keep dangerous individuals locked up.

2 hours ago, Syntax said:

to let the market function on it's own with minor interference

The US market has lots of government interference.

A true libertarian society would be horrible for the average person, there would be nothing like a minimum wage, there would be no caps on monopolies, what do you think would happen to the Disabled, sick and elderly in this society?

2 hours ago, Syntax said:

80% of soldiers in the middle east that fight for the US are mercenaries and private armies. Mind justifying that? 

Why do I need to justify it?

 

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7 hours ago, Syntax said:

Nice meme, but here's the original picture to honor those who are capable of self-thought.
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I'm not 100% Libertarian and I'm also not all against the government, but I stand with values such as tax cuts, less government interference overall, to let the market function on it's own with minor interference (Environment, Human Rights, Basic Interference), and to introduce financial penalties instead of prison. 

Why is the snake around a fasces (an ancient roman weapon and where the word Fascism comes from/a fascist symbol)? 

Anyways, financial penalties is a poor idea, in my opinion. The rich could commit crimes all they want and the poor who commit crimes, what would they do? The best thing to do is change prison to be less about punishing and more about rehabilitation-educate them in whatever interests them, get them therapy if needed. This would stop people who commit crimes after getting out of prison and allow these people to re-enter society and obtain a job. 


“I was so good at being a kid, and so terrible at being whatever I was now.”
― John Green, Turtles All the Way Down

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Posted  Edited by Trigger - Edit Reason: United States mother trucker

What do you guys think about Space Force(the “supposed” new branch of the US military)?

 

Personally I think it’s great, well, until they start kidnapping children for the spartan program. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Edited by Trigger
United States mother trucker

֍ Trigger ֍

 

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6 hours ago, Malal said:

You want to turn this shit into Skyrim

 >murder man

>pay $1000 fine

>go on with your day

 Prison is certainly needed for certain crimes to keep dangerous individuals locked up.

The US market has lots of government interference.

A true libertarian society would be horrible for the average person, there would be nothing like a minimum wage, there would be no caps on monopolies, what do you think would happen to the Disabled, sick and elderly in this society?

Why do I need to justify it?

 

I said financial penalties as in for companies, not people, I'm against the prison system overall and support rehabilitation, however, some prisoners are way too fucked up to be rehabilitated, but I'm with it for minor crimes. The minimum wage wasn't set for people to live on, it was more for the side jobs that you can acquire as a teenager or for a first time job, you need to be fiscally responsible, also, that's a misinterpretation, that's what an anarchist would believe in, however, I'm more of a classic liberal (in EU Terms) and also, for the disabled, sick and elderly thing, they can be handled by their own families, the structure and fabric of society won't tear down if we decrease taxes, you're pushing a false agenda and being delusional, charity has always done much more than government programs. Even where I currently reside, Morocco. We are a very socialist state and trust me, most doctors prefer the private sector, and so do most people living here. They prefer to go to specialized doctors to oversee their medical condition and usually get support from random people they know through family. Please be responsible, it's only those who sit in their chairs 24/7 that view the world as being so cruel.

For the armies things, it's obvious. Your tax money is being drained by your government and you're basically being stolen, they ask for more money and then they spend it on private militaries, which are substantially weaker and less organized than normal official militaries. Why not cut the budget on military funding, US? You're using the money to buy mercenaries anyways.

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5 hours ago, Syntax said:

I said financial penalties as in for companies

Financial penalties never stop these people from fraud and other financial crimes.

 

5 hours ago, Syntax said:

The minimum wage wasn't set for people to live on

In America sure.

5 hours ago, Syntax said:

they can be handled by their own families

This is a horrible idea, some people don't have family, their family could die, their family could be cunts and just not care about them.

5 hours ago, Syntax said:

charity has always done much more than government programs

Except when the charity steals the money and doesn't donate it

5 hours ago, Syntax said:

Even where I currently reside, Morocco. We are a very socialist state and trust me

Morocco isn't a socialist state, first of all it's a constitutional monarchy but the King has legitimate power.

Your leading part is centre-right and is economically liberal, it's also an islamist party.

5 hours ago, Syntax said:

most doctors prefer the private sector, and so do most people living here.

Sure, but what about the people who simply can't afford it, what happens to them?

You can have a private sector for health care and have healthcare insurance btw

5 hours ago, Syntax said:

Why not cut the budget on military funding, US? You're using the money to buy mercenaries anyways.

You're implying I support the military

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10 hours ago, Malal said:

Financial penalties never stop these people from fraud and other financial crimes.

 

In America sure.

This is a horrible idea, some people don't have family, their family could die, their family could be cunts and just not care about them.

Except when the charity steals the money and doesn't donate it

Morocco isn't a socialist state, first of all it's a constitutional monarchy but the King has legitimate power.

Your leading part is centre-right and is economically liberal, it's also an islamist party.

Sure, but what about the people who simply can't afford it, what happens to them?

You can have a private sector for health care and have healthcare insurance btw

You're implying I support the military

1) No penalty stops anyone from doing anything, you don't just go 'Oh, I wish I could scam this person but fuck that 1000$ penalty man' or 'I wish I could kill that guy i fucking hate him, but man that death penalty'. It's just that financial penalties over minor crimes will push people to work.

2) The inflation rate's been 2% for so long in the US and that's one of the main factors, that they don't just go all out increasing everything.

3) Again, charity, as a word. Not as an establishment, you can make a gofundme yourself, and you also have friends.

4) Are you arguing with me over what financial ideology runs the country? lol. Taxes here are top 20 highest in the world, and guess who gets taxed? Our leading party is socialist, and is conservative. Not economically liberal, and yes it's an islamist party, and guess what that means? More taxes...(Zakaat)

5) Where I live, it's pretty much the ideal thing to go to the private sector, plus you get refunds if you register in one of the government's programs which is not bad, you get a refund for cheap medicine and antibiotics. Also, and again, charity, as in the word, people are pretty nice.

6) No, I'm just explaining how your government can just put a straw in your pockets and suck the living sh*t out of it and yet dare to fund private militaries and not upgrade the current one.

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18 hours ago, Syntax said:

1) No penalty stops anyone from doing anything, you don't just go 'Oh, I wish I could scam this person but fuck that 1000$ penalty man' or 'I wish I could kill that guy i fucking hate him, but man that death penalty'. It's just that financial penalties over minor crimes will push people to work.

You can steal $1000, your punishment for doing so is losing the money you stole compared to the punishment being time in jail, one is an obvious bigger deterrent.

Most fraudsters continue to do the same things after being arrested, Jail time is a much bigger deterrent to a small fine they can easily pay back.

Look at what Japan is doing to the Renault CEO and why it's getting attention world wide.

18 hours ago, Syntax said:

2) The inflation rate's been 2% for so long in the US and that's one of the main factors, that they don't just go all out increasing everything.

Controlling inflation is an example of government control of the economy, like the German government in the Weimar republic.

18 hours ago, Syntax said:

3) Again, charity, as a word. Not as an establishment, you can make a gofundme yourself, and you also have friends.

And charity still results in these establishments, I'd rather have a guaranteed chance of having my essentials paid for than a chance I get more or less.

18 hours ago, Syntax said:


4) Are you arguing with me over what financial ideology runs the country?

Yes?

Morocco is not socialist at all.

18 hours ago, Syntax said:

Taxes here are top 20 highest in the world

High taxes isn't socialism.

18 hours ago, Syntax said:

Our leading party is socialist

حزب العدالة والتنمية‎ /JDP are the leading party no?

I don't know too much about them but they're considered centre-right/right wing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-25/moroccans-cast-ballots-in-election-marking-shift-of-power-away-from-king

Pro Monarchy and no mention of socialism

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/1769378

Moderate party

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/morocco/8917595/Islamists-in-Morocco-election-claim-historic-vote-breakthrough.html

Moderate islamists

What part about them is socialist?

18 hours ago, Syntax said:

plus you get refunds if you register in one of the government's programs which is not bad, you get a refund for cheap medicine and antibiotics

That's called healthcare

18 hours ago, Syntax said:

6) No, I'm just explaining how your government can just put a straw in your pockets and suck the living sh*t out of it and yet dare to fund private militaries and not upgrade the current one.

I'm not American.

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4 hours ago, Malal said:

You can steal $1000, your punishment for doing so is losing the money you stole compared to the punishment being time in jail, one is an obvious bigger deterrent.

Most fraudsters continue to do the same things after being arrested, Jail time is a much bigger deterrent to a small fine they can easily pay back.

Look at what Japan is doing to the Renault CEO and why it's getting attention world wide.

Controlling inflation is an example of government control of the economy, like the German government in the Weimar republic.

And charity still results in these establishments, I'd rather have a guaranteed chance of having my essentials paid for than a chance I get more or less.

Yes?

Morocco is not socialist at all.

High taxes isn't socialism.

حزب العدالة والتنمية‎ /JDP are the leading party no?

I don't know too much about them but they're considered centre-right/right wing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-25/moroccans-cast-ballots-in-election-marking-shift-of-power-away-from-king

Pro Monarchy and no mention of socialism

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/1769378

Moderate party

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/morocco/8917595/Islamists-in-Morocco-election-claim-historic-vote-breakthrough.html

Moderate islamists

What part about them is socialist?

That's called healthcare

I'm not American.

  1. Bigger fines, and of course some jail time, a hybrid mixture. Also, please do not put words in my mouth as I said minor crimes and never mentioned anything fraud-related. I'm not here to give the juridical system a reform, I'm just suggesting that rehabilitation/financial penalties are far better solutions for minor crimes.
  2. Yes, inflation should be controlled more than any other factor, unemployment is irrelevant in this case as well.
  3. JDP is a socialist, islamist, and conservative party. These are old news, I don't know where you got that from, and they're off-topic, they talk about the constitutional change we had back in 2011, and they're considered 'right-wing' because they're conservative and islamist.

Other than that, I can't reply to anything else you've said because at this point we're just running in a constant pull and push loop. Please refrain from attempting to correct me on something I see on a daily basis.

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@Syntax @Malal correct me if I'm wrong but you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

Can I join in? and does it have to be related to the question or can I argue a point that is opposite to the topic because I really hate people who eat with their mouth open?

 

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Just now, ReivaX said:

@Syntax are you saying that if I was communist that I couldn't join you? but if I was a democrat I could?

 

You discriminatory piece of vegetable clipping :lenny:

any collectivist ideology shouldn't be allowed to participate in a democratic conversation, because you just can't convince someone who's ideas are imprinted in his DNA, for commies, they're just gay so no :L

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@Syntax I've compiled a quick list of websites detailing why discrimination is bad. Please re-educate yourself you insensitive insect. I can't believe a person on public relations would be so purist lol. Demote this guy.

 

Websites:

http://www.jpe.ox.ac.uk/papers/what-makes-discrimination-wrong/

https://www.youthbeyondblue.com/understand-what's-going-on/discrimination

https://www.debate.org/opinions/is-discrimination-wrong

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2 minutes ago, ReivaX said:

@Syntax I've compiled a quick list of websites detailing why discrimination is bad. Please re-educate yourself you insensitive insect. I can't believe a person on public relations would be so purist lol. Demote this guy.

 

Websites:

http://www.jpe.ox.ac.uk/papers/what-makes-discrimination-wrong/

https://www.youthbeyondblue.com/understand-what's-going-on/discrimination

https://www.debate.org/opinions/is-discrimination-wrong

Collectivist ideologies are the ones that breed discrimination, what are you on about lol, I'm all about freedoms for everyone, my point it, some people understand, others don't, and some just don't want to understand. Some people are not up for civil discussion, I'm not saying we should kill them, but freedom is to be taken away when you don't uphold to your duties. 

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And who chooses to take ones freedom away after what duties? LOL Stop being a stuck up umbrella and understand that we are human. Not everyone can the great syntax! public relations of GFLclan!!!!11!!!!Q

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4 hours ago, Syntax said:

Bigger fines, and of course some jail time, a hybrid mixture. Also, please do not put words in my mouth as I said minor crimes and never mentioned anything fraud-related. I'm not here to give the juridical system a reform, I'm just suggesting that rehabilitation/financial penalties are far better solutions for minor crimes.

What are minor crimes?

And when you suggest financial penalties for crimes and the discussion is about laissez-faire economics it's natural to assume you meant penalties for businesses.

4 hours ago, Syntax said:

Yes, inflation should be controlled more than any other factor, unemployment is irrelevant in this case as well. 

Inflation being controlled is government involvement in the market, and there are many other examples of government interference in the US market

4 hours ago, Syntax said:

JDP is a socialist, islamist, and conservative party. These are old news, I don't know where you got that from, and they're off-topic, they talk about the constitutional change we had back in 2011, and they're considered 'right-wing' because they're conservative and islamist. 

How are they socialist, what beliefs and laws have they enacted that are socialist?

Those news articles are what came up searching for the JDP.

Conservative means to maintain the status-quo, now correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quite positive Morocco has never been a socialist state therefore being a socialist party you aren't toeing the status-quo, but ignoring that how are the JDP socialist, genuinely can't find anything about them that is socialist.

4 hours ago, ReivaX said:

Can I join in? and does it have to be related to the question or can I argue a point that is opposite to the topic because I really hate people who eat with their mouth open?

Feel free to bring up a topic.

 

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