reduct 600 / 7,862 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited September 21, 2020 by Snowy Map Modifier Plugin Official and live on server. Hello As some of you may have seen or heard, @xSnowyAngel and I have been testing a new plugin called Map Modifier on the server. While it is in it’s function-able state right now, we would love to gain some feedback and ideas to help develop the plugin more and add different modifier modes. What is this plugin? This is a plugin Snowy is working on to allow players experience a slightly different map setting modification in the map. The plugin is currently set to pick a random mode and apply it to the map until rtv or if players vote to undo the modification. What kind of modes are there? We currently have three active modes which is picked at random: -- VIP mode -- After ZM infection, a random CT will be picked to be a VIP. They must make it to the end of the map alive or else the CT team will all die.-- OneHitKnife for CTs mode -- CTs can instant kill zombies with knives that does 50,000 damage -- Fail Nades mode -- CT nades will have knockback on while setting zombies on fire. -- Ice skating -- The floor is slippery, watch where/how you move -- Suicide Bomber -- All mother zombies are suicide bombers, watch out! Where or when is this plugin going to be used? The plugin only enables itself during casual maps like ze_icecap_escape, ze_platformer or maps like ze_frostdrake, ze_magala_castle. This plugin is mainly to spice up maps that otherwise may be too easy or too boring for most players.How can the players interact with the plugin? The plugin only works if enough players vote for it via !votemm. Once the vote is passed, the plugin will randomly pick a mode and apply it to the map (starting next round). When CT's wins the round with the current modifier, a new mapmodifier will be picked next round. Please let us know of any feedback, ideas or bugs that you may have seen or encountered for this particular plugin. Edited September 21, 2020 by Snowy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb_IU 106 / 2,869 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 giv m e failnadE GFL ZE Gametracker: https://www.gametracker.com/player/bb_IU/216.52.148.47:27015/ GFL ZE HLStats: https://stats.gflclan.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=2472689 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy 837 / 11,431 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited August 25, 2020 by Snowy Reserved. Update: 30th December 2018 MM is now enabled on CASUAL maps only. List of enabled maps: de_dust2 ze_30_seconds__b21_p2 ze_abandoned_industry_va2 ze_ALIEN_mountain_escape_p3_fix ze_ApertureScience_p2 ze_apocatastasis_v1_2 ze_Apollo_p2 ze_arctic_escape_p2 ze_ardeca_v3_2 ze_atix_apocalypse_p3 ze_atix_panic_v1 ze_aztecnoob_p2 ze_barrage_p2 ze_biohazard_manor_004_p4 ze_biohazard2_rpd_004_p3_fix2 ze_biohazard2_sewer_004_p8 ze_blackmesa_escape_p4 ze_blackmesa_remix_p2 ze_boacceho_p4 ze_boatescape101_p ze_boatescape_extendido_p4 ze_Breakable_p3 ze_chemical_weapons_depot_v3_1 ze_chicken_lords_p ze_clara_civitate_v3 ze_colorlicouspilar_p4 ze_colors_p3 ze_complex_va3 ze_crypt_v1_4 ze_dangerous_waters_v2_final ze_darker_ruins_v1 ze_death_star_escape_v4_3_p2 ze_deepice_p3 ze_defense3002 ze_desert_fox_v7_6 ze_easy_escape_v4 ze_ELEVATOR_escape_p3 ze_escape_horizon_p3 ze_escape_the_eye_p3 ze_eternal_void_p3 ze_evil_mansion_va1 ze_exchange_innovation_v1b ze_fast_escape_p2 ze_firewall_laboratory_part1_p2 ze_firewall_laboratory_part2_p2 ze_flying_world_p ze_forgotten_facility_p3 ze_FORiUS_just_RUN_p2 ze_games_v2_1 ze_gods_wrath_p2 ze_grand_boatescape_p3 ze_greece_escape_p ze_greencity_fix ze_halo_poa_p4 ze_haunted_lab_escape_p3 ze_hazard_escape_p2 ze_Hell_Escape_p2 ze_hidden_fortress_p ze_hold_em_v8 ze_hypernova_p2 ze_iamlegend_p3 ze_icecap_escape_v5_p ze_inboxed_final_fix ze_indiana_jones_v4a_004_p4 ze_industrial_dejavu_v3_3_3_e2_d ze_infected_tramway_csgo1 ze_infiltration_final_r1 ze_insanitycity_final_fix ze_interception_p2 ze_ismellmagicintheair_wg7tw9vm1io1bu7_v3 ze_island_escape_p3 ze_italy_town_p2 ze_journey_p ze_JurassicPark_p3 ze_JurassicPark_Escape_p2 ze_kaffe_escape_v2 ze_kororinpa_v1_7 ze_kraznov_poopata_p2 ze_legoland_crackheads_p2 ze_lemonysnickets_p2 ze_licciana_escape_p ze_LOTR_Helms_Deep_v5_p6 ze_LOTR_Minas_Tiret_p2 ze_LOTR_Mines_of_Moria_p2 ze_LOTR_Mount_Doom_p3 ze_LuigisMansion_p3 ze_magala_castle_final ze_magic_carpet_p2 ze_mario_tower_v4_p2 ze_military_escape_p4 ze_minecraft_v1_1_p3 ze_Mirrors_Edge_Reborn_p3 ze_moon_base_p3 ze_motanuminc_p2 ze_mytex_escape_v3_p ze_neko_canyon_p3 ze_nightmare_dimension_p3 ze_noir_p1 ze_nostromo_redux_v1_2 ze_notredame_p3 ze_nuke_p3 ze_NY_marathon_p2 ze_ocean_base_escape_p2 ze_omega_p3 ze_opti_variety_missions_p3 ze_panic_escape_v3_2_e5 ze_paper_escaper_p7 ze_Parking_p4 ze_pd2_crime_art_v2 ze_phantasy_escape_p3 ze_pitchblack_p2 ze_pizzatime_v9 ze_platformer_b6 ze_Portal_Story_p2 ze_PoR_island_p3 ze_potc_p4 ze_PotC_IV_p3 ze_Prototype_r ze_puta_p3 ze_raccoon_facility_v6b_p ze_rainbow_factory_v2 ze_Random_p2 ze_reconnoiter_b5 ze_resonance_cascade_p3 ze_retribution_p ze_rollermine_factory_2010_p ze_Rooftop_Runaway1_p ze_rooftop_runaway2_p ze_RTCW_Ominous_Rumors_p4 ze_rtv_one_more ze_saw_p3 ze_sc_turtles_v5_p2 ze_sewage_processing_v8 ze_sewer_escape_p2 ze_sg1_missions_v2_1_p2 ze_showdown_v4_1_p ze_siberia_1990_v1_2c_p5 ze_skyscraper_city_csgo1 ze_sorrento_escape_v2 ze_space_flight_p3 ze_sst_b2_1_p5 ze_sst2_p ze_stargate_escape_v8_p2 ze_STRANGE_escape_p2 ze_surf_danger_p2 ze_surf_facility_p4 ze_surf_gypt_v1_3_1f ze_temple_escape_va2 ze_thelostworld_redux_p2 ze_thousand_steps_b7 ze_thriller_escape_p ze_Timesplitters_pf ze_titanic_escape_v2_3_p ze_tkara_v4_3 ze_Totemo_Roka_v1 ze_traak_b2 ze_trainescape_final_p2 ze_TV_station_r4 ze_underground_escape_p ze_urban_laby_of_death_p2 ze_urbanterror_b2 ze_venice_escape_p3 ze_vietnam_p3 ze_voodoo_islands_v8_5_p4 ze_world_escapes_v1 ze_zk_mall_of_zombies_p2 ze_zombiemod_corporation_p2 ze_zombierig_p3 Update: 30th November 2018 Players are now only allowed to vote once per map, if the vote passes and they undo the map modification, voting will be disabled for the rest of the map Update: 25th November 2018 The MapModifier plugin is now in testing phase, and it's available on ALL maps as of now (just for testing purposes, and for getting statistics) Commands: !votemm - Vote for a MM !undomm - Vote to undo the current MM Please report any bugs here. Update: 18th November 2018 Two new modes that were WIP have now been introduced into the plugin. The two mode has already been mentioned on the main post -- Fail Nades mode -- & -- Knife Knockback mode -- If this specific mode is enabled, admins WILL get a notification if a player knifes a zombie. AND if a zombie gets knife boosted and knifes a human, a message will be printed to everyone regarding the attacker, victim and the knifer. credits: @Nick for making the nade & knife knockback plugin @Console for suggesting to add messages in KnifeKB mode and thanks CSS:ZE for the idea on how the messages should beUpdate: sometime 2020 Reworked the entire plugin. Removed 3 modes that noone really liked Removed !undomm command New !mmlist command to view available mapmodifiers New !mm command to show the current mapmodifier (if active) Updated the original post When CT's win a round with a mapmodifier active, a new MM will be picked on round start Edited August 25, 2020 by Snowy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flops 386 / 7,269 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited November 16, 2018 by Flops - Edit Reason: me like might actually make ze fun again if people actually vote for it Edited November 16, 2018 by Flops me like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Console 27 / 2,825 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 I see potential ways to abuse/exploit this plugin, but I guess that's what admins are for amirite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy 837 / 11,431 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Console said: I see potential ways to abuse/exploit this plugin, but I guess that's what admins are for amirite Yeah, that's what this feedback thread is for , please explain the potential abuse/exploit you have in mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Console 27 / 2,825 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Common ways to exploit and simple ways to address: failnading on purpose: check chat box for the nader knifing zms forward: add a plugin to show admins whenever someone knifes a zm, if u don't have the plugin yet (potentially also show whoever the knifed zm kill and the knifer) not all maps should have classic zm spawn: lower mother zm ratio on classic spawn humans kill all mother zm with 50k hp knife: add spawn protection for mother zm vip intentionally suicide: prevent vip from going to spec & suicide from console, potentially ban them from becoming vip ... more if i ever bother thinking about this again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1mpact 107 / 3,838 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 maybe if the VIP dies they can't be VIP for another 24 hours or something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy 837 / 11,431 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited November 16, 2018 by xSnowyAngel 3 hours ago, Console said: Common ways to exploit and simple ways to address: failnading on purpose: check chat box for the nader knifing zms forward: add a plugin to show admins whenever someone knifes a zm, if u don't have the plugin yet (potentially also show whoever the knifed zm kill and the knifer) not all maps should have classic zm spawn: lower mother zm ratio on classic spawn humans kill all mother zm with 50k hp knife: add spawn protection for mother zm vip intentionally suicide: prevent vip from going to spec & suicide from console, potentially ban them from becoming vip ... more if i ever bother thinking about this again Thanks for your feedback! I appreciate it very much. I'll address the issues mentioned: 1) FailNades, yeah like you said, check the nader's name 2) Knifing ZMs: This command will be noted and added once the Plugin for KnifeKB is complete. 3) I agree not all maps should have classic spawn, therefore that is why this "MapModifier" plugin won't be enabled on some specific map. The current setting for "Classic Spawn" mode is the following ratio: every 20humans to 1 zombie spawn 4) Spawn Protection for MotherZM's and other spawning zombies (Just incase CT's rape other teleports) have been implemented in the current test branch of the 1hitkillknife plugin. Hopefully everything goes well. As of this moment, they have 5.0s of spawn protection against 1hitkillknife only. 5) VIP: The ones that becomes VIP CANNOT use !spec, "kill" or "explode" in console. Changing of teams is also restricted. I'll update this if you've got other potential abuse/exploit Edited November 16, 2018 by xSnowyAngel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal 145 / 0 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Just do what GFL CSS did, only apply it to certain maps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotEvercLear 194 / 4,723 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited November 16, 2018 by hotEvercLear really fun sounding plugin. 1. I would suggest more admin activity when rolled out because the community will almost certainly come up with ways to exploit this or find ways to troll with it before the admins and server managers can come up with solutions.... so maybe some dedicated time slots for admins the first few days to make sure there is as close to 24/7 coverage initially to prevent madness.... like a schedule or something.... idk, just at first. 2. for VIP mode, what happens if someone becomes VIP and disconnects or client crashes? is that instant round loss or would a new VIP be selected? 3. if players vote for !votemm and 1 of the 3 modes gets selected, is it going to be a new random mode selected each round until map change, or do you get 1 round of random map mode, the you must vote again to get another random map mode. I would suggest this being a 1 round map mode until voted on again (similar to how !vl leadership works) so that if it is not fun for 40% of theplayers, it does not kill the server or anything like that. 4. how many votes will be needed in order for a !votemm to pass? similar to RTV or will it be more in like with a vote to extend 10 min? this seems really fun, thank you for the work putting this together. Edited November 16, 2018 by hotEvercLear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Chris 249 / 0 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited November 16, 2018 by Ninja Chris - Edit Reason: Stop deleting my shitposts please. -- VIP mode -- Good concept but might not be very practical. On maps with bosses or obstacles such as surf ramps and lasers the noobs will die immediately and people will probably give up when someone bad is chosen. It will also bring up issues such as players trying to troll the VIP or the VIP themselves trolling and enforcing rules around it is stupid. Maybe restrict it to good players (only me) so bad players (every single admin) won't immediately die at the start of the map and ruin the round for everyone else. Also maybe restrict it to casual maps that don't have bosses or obstacles that could potentially kill the VIP every single time. -- 50K Knife DMG for CTs mode -- "I wasn't inflating I was just trying to knife the zombie" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) -- Classic ZM spawn mode - Maps where everyone is grouped up at the start might be impossible and get boring after every single round is lost in seconds. Maps that block/teleport zombies on spawn such as mako will make the mode pointless. -- Fail Nades mode -- ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) -- Knife Knockback mode -- ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) The plugin idea is good but you should give me root access so I can make it better. Edited November 16, 2018 by Ninja Chris Stop deleting my shitposts please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Tab 32 / 2,562 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Good. This plugin will spice things up on easier maps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireStarter 69 / 3,174 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 Edited November 16, 2018 by FireStarter [VIP MODE] I've tried the VIP mode here once, and I'm definitely not a fan of it. From my point of view, it doesn't add anything positive to gameplay: there is almost nothing humans can do to help VIP survive, except for maybe staying away from him when there are bosses/NPCs who target particular humans, so it adds almost nothing interesting. On the negative side, it brings in another strong random failure factor - VIP's death - which other humans are just unable to help prevent. Zombie Escape as a game mod itself is simply not designed with this kind of gameplay in mind - all humans trying to help VIP survive - zombies can't snipe VIP out of the crowd and other humans can't cover him (unless having VIP doorhugging is considered as kind of "covering" him, which is really nothing special for the rest of the humans - they still play as they normally would until VIP dies).[TRYHARD MAPS] While other mentioned modes (except for VIP) could be fun to sometimes mess around on casual maps, I wouldn't like to see any of them on tryhard maps. As we've already seen with "50K knife DMG for CTs mode", this will encourage a lot of humans to simply mess around with new toys and make winning the map impossible. On tryhard maps, I see it only as an alternative to rocking the vote. So maybe instead of adding "!votemm" and "!undomm" commands, make it so that players are presented with a poll after rocking the vote for the first time, where they will be asked whether they want to continue playing the map in a mode or actually change it to another map. If players choose to change the map or RTV for the second time, they will be offered to vote for a new map. You could also add a new command that will change the current game mode to another one. This kind of system will help players understand, that this is a "one way ticket" (and something akin to RTVing). I wouldn't be such a big concern for me, if there were no such strict [map time] time limits on tryhard maps, as currently are. Then we could mess around with a game mode for a while, and maybe continue playing the map seriously afterwards. So if you want to go with "!votemm" and "!undomm" commands, maybe make map time countdown pause on tryhard maps while a game mode is turned on? Having a separate map time for a game mode is also an alternative. Otherwise turning a game mode on will actually be a "one way ticket" on tryhard maps, because we will lose rounds and will be unable to finish the map due to lack of time. Switching to a knife (knife+items only?) game mode at the end of an obviously lost round could be an alternative to simply slaying, if an admin can quickly force it (or quickly force a vote for it) and make sure that it doesn't drag on for too long. Edited November 16, 2018 by FireStarter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reduct 600 / 7,862 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 52 minutes ago, FireStarter said: While other mentioned modes (except for VIP) could be fun to sometimes mess around on casual maps, I wouldn't like to see any of them on tryhard maps 8 hours ago, Malal said: Just do what GFL CSS did, only apply it to certain maps We....aren’t planning to implement it in tryhard maps as addressed already in the first post. Did you guys even read the first post? 14 hours ago, reduct said: We currently are testing it on all types of maps just to see how well the plugin is doing on initial testing but plan to enable it during more casual maps like ze_icecap_escape, ze_platformer or maps like ze_frostdrake, ze_magala_castle once it is more or less out of beta testing. This plugin is mainly to spice up maps that otherwise may be too easy or too boring for most players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireStarter 69 / 3,174 Report Post Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, reduct said: We....aren’t planning to implement it in tryhard maps as addressed already in the first post. Did you guys even read the first post? Of course I've read it. As far as I understood it, the modes are being rolled out in 3 stages: 1. "initial testing" "on all types of maps" [current stage]; 2. "enable it during more casual maps like ze_icecap_escape, ze_platformer"; 3. ["enable it during"] "maps like ze_frostdrake, ze_magala_castle once it is more or less out of beta testing". Maybe our definition of tryhard is also different, because I don't consider ze_frostdrake to be a casual map. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that there is no intention to enable these modes in tryhard maps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidler_2k 59 / 2,948 Report Post Posted November 17, 2018 Honestly I think I'm speaking for everyone when I say we should just toss the plugin idea and bring back the original knife knockback exclusively. It would totally enhance the ze experience and bring it back to greatness (looking at you Frostdrake lever spawn). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy 837 / 11,431 Report Post Posted November 17, 2018 Edited November 17, 2018 by xSnowyAngel 15 hours ago, hotEvercLear said: really fun sounding plugin. 1. I would suggest more admin activity when rolled out because the community will almost certainly come up with ways to exploit this or find ways to troll with it before the admins and server managers can come up with solutions.... so maybe some dedicated time slots for admins the first few days to make sure there is as close to 24/7 coverage initially to prevent madness.... like a schedule or something.... idk, just at first. 2. for VIP mode, what happens if someone becomes VIP and disconnects or client crashes? is that instant round loss or would a new VIP be selected? 3. if players vote for !votemm and 1 of the 3 modes gets selected, is it going to be a new random mode selected each round until map change, or do you get 1 round of random map mode, the you must vote again to get another random map mode. I would suggest this being a 1 round map mode until voted on again (similar to how !vl leadership works) so that if it is not fun for 40% of theplayers, it does not kill the server or anything like that. 4. how many votes will be needed in order for a !votemm to pass? similar to RTV or will it be more in like with a vote to extend 10 min? this seems really fun, thank you for the work putting this together. To answer your question: 2 - For VIP mode, as of now, when a client disconnect/crashes a new VIP will be chosen. 3 - As of now, when !votemm passes and it chooses a gamemode, it will stay on that gamemode until the map ends. Unless of course players use !undomm 4 - Currently, the votes required is HALF of the number of players in the server. (ex. 64players, 32votes needed) @Fidler_2k, you can't really speak for everyone when you don't play on the server Edited November 17, 2018 by xSnowyAngel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireStarter 69 / 3,174 Report Post Posted November 17, 2018 I think that one thing that could really spice things up is Barbossa-like (from ze_pirates_port_royal) zombie VIP. It involves skill both to use Barbossa and dodge his attacks, and this is what makes it interesting. Barbossa is one of the things that gives so much replayability to ze_pirates_port_royal. Playing as a zombie is not so fun as playing as a human most of the time, but Barbossa changes this (and also gives hope to other zombies to break human defense). Or zombie VIP Barbossa and human VIP heal? P.S. Once again, I think that different proposed modes should be fine on those maps, where we usually don't run out of map time. I wouldn't enable them on maps where we often run out of extends, unless some changes are made to lift the map time pressure or to make gameplay balance more favorable for humans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReivaX 63 / 2,626 Report Post Posted November 18, 2018 Edited November 18, 2018 by ReivaX If we're doing classic spawns, how about a mapedor thing, where there is a transition period. This allows groups to move away and 'hopefully' won't instantly kill the round while giving the zms a chance. Note: when the zm are frozen, on some servers they can still store movement from implements, causing them to go flying. i.e. i could knife a frozen zm and it would fly as soon as it was unfrozen, either forwards or backwards. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) As for failnades, they'll add some fun on maps like random where we'll get fked. When do we get to try molys or smokes if you are so keen to spice up the game mode. That being said, i think this will be a nice time to re-affirm why having no failnades is a good idea. Vip i am against. It creates a 'solo' aspect to a map where to win you have to get the 'VIP' to the end. Instead, i propose a needed ratio of humans for the ct's to win. This way any random person can still die whilst putting more emphasis on teamwork (sorely needed in the gfl ze community). Maybe multiple VIP's? who knows... And finally for the 50k knife, i strongly encourage the discontinuation of this plugin. The idea of working together to fight back zombie hordes is severely diminished when a sole survivor can kill off zms because of his better computer and lower ping. It's like getting longknifed but from both sides. I, personally, think this is a poor choice of plugin because of the benefit to only a few as what might seem fun at first will favour those with better machines, albeit coming from a potato pc. (also inflation). Overall, be very sure of what direction you want the community to head when you implement these modes... -Sausage --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I exploit as much as the next guy... I just happen to know what im doing Edited November 18, 2018 by ReivaX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...