Neiva 38 / 2,017 Report Post Posted November 18, 2018 Heya, Today, I will answer the age old question of which gun to use. To work this out, I have used the Wikipedia to find out the fire rate and reload times of each gun. Keep in mind, this is exact reload + fire timings so in practice it would be slightly less. Nilla Servers P90 @ 50 bullets 3.3 Seconds reload 857 RPM 857/60 = 14.28 shots per second 50/14.28 = 3.5 seconds to shoot entire clip 3.3 + 3.5 = 6.8 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/6.8 = 8.82 clips per minute 50 x 8.82 = 441 bullets per minute Bizon @ 64 bullets 2.4 Seconds reload 750 RPM 750/60 = 12.5 shots per second 64/12.5 = 5.12 seconds to shoot entire clip 2.4 + 5.12 = 7.52 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/7.52 = 7.98 clips per minute 64 x 7.98 = 510.72 bullets per minute Negev @ 150 bullets 5.7 seconds reload 800 RPM 800/60 = 13.33 shots per second 150/13.33 = 11.25 seconds to shoot entire clip 5.7 + 11.25 = 16.95 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/16.95 = 3.54 clips per minute 150 x 3.54 = 531 bullets per minute So what is best? Well, it depends on the situation and your play style. -P90 has higher damage / knockback than the Bizon, is more accurate and allows for burst fire meaning more headshots and sustained knockback. -Bizon has a larger clip with a shorter reload time allowing for sustained fire on zombies at all times. -Negev is good for holding small hallways or doors and static locations. Boss fights -On static boss fights, Negev is the winner here with the highest DPS. -On moving boss fights, Bizon is better as it offers the most DPS and the fastest movement speed. So there it is, there is a place for everything. Bizon is probably best all rounder but it's entirely preference! Personally I use the P90 for defending, Bizon for movement based boss fights and Negev for Static boss fights. Extras mp9 @ 50 bullets 2.1 Seconds reload 857 RPM 857/60 = 14.28 shots per second 50/14.28 = 3.5 seconds to shoot entire clip 2.1 + 3.5 = 5.6 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/5.6 = 10.71 clips per minute 50 x 10.71 = 535.5 bullets per minute P90 on steroids, best for boss fights Bizon @ 60 bullets 2.4 Seconds reload 750 RPM 750/60 = 12.5 shots per second 60/12.5 = 4.8 seconds to shoot entire clip 2.4 + 4.8 = 7.2 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/7.2 = 8.33 clips per minute 60 x 8.33 = 499.8 bullets per minute Negev @ 120 bullets 5.7 Seconds reload 800 RPM 800/60 = 13.33 shots per second 120/13.33 = 9 seconds to shoot entire clip 5.7 + 9 = 14.7 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/14.7 = 4.08 clips per minute 120 x 4.08 = 489.6 bullets per minute So for some other servers, MP9 is king for boss fights and P90 is more viable overall. Thanks for reading, hopefully you learnt something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Chris 249 / 0 Report Post Posted November 18, 2018 P90 or you're gay. /closed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReivaX 63 / 2,626 Report Post Posted November 18, 2018 What about awping boy... Very efficient and effective! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care, fuck off 56 / 2,710 Report Post Posted November 18, 2018 AKA: - Use bizon if you plan to be a backpeddaling defender who wants to play up close against zombies. - Use P90 if you plan to provide coverfire for defenders who need to fall back. - Use negev if you need to defend one spot for a long time or for boss fights that are DPS races. I'm backk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aze 43 / 2,381 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 Who needs weapon when you can doorhug? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malal 145 / 0 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 you literally couldve just said bizon moving boss fights negev breaking static objects and static defence points p90 general defence awp long range instead of writing all this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1mpact 107 / 3,838 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Malal said: you literally couldve just said bizon moving boss fights negev breaking static objects and static defence points p90 general defence awp long range instead of writing all this I'm sure plenty of people are interested in the specific stats of the weapons too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb_IU 106 / 2,869 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Malal said: you literally couldve just said bizon moving boss fights negev breaking static objects and static defence points p90 general defence awp long range instead of writing all this Providing concrete evidence to support statements is good because not everyone takes things at face value :- ) GFL ZE Gametracker: https://www.gametracker.com/player/bb_IU/216.52.148.47:27015/ GFL ZE HLStats: https://stats.gflclan.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=2472689 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatty 1,527 / 0 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 i hear backstabbing zombies works pretty alright Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireStarter 69 / 3,174 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 Edited November 19, 2018 by FireStarter I hope that people will stop promoting M249 for boss fights/killing NPCs (for NPCs, as far as I understand, only the number of bullets that hit them matters, not the damage dealt, similar to boss fights). If you apply the same math to M249, you get this: M249 @ 100 bullets 5.7 Seconds reload 750 RPM 750/60 = 12.5 shots per second 100/12.5 = 8 seconds to shoot entire clip 5.7 + 8 = 13.7 seconds for entire clip + reload 60/13.7 = 4.38 clips per minute 100 x 4.38 = 438 bullets per minute Edited November 19, 2018 by FireStarter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
floaties 18 / 1,326 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 there is no definitive answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotEvercLear 194 / 4,723 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 Edited November 19, 2018 by hotEvercLear 17 hours ago, Citizen said: AKA: - Use bizon if you plan to be a backpeddaling defender who wants to play up close against zombies. - Use P90 if you plan to provide coverfire for defenders who need to fall back. - Use negev if you need to defend one spot for a long time or for boss fights that are DPS races. this is correct.... with 2 caveats... maps where you have to eliminate NPCs and still need some movement ability, m249... (see Santa or Castlevainia for example). downside, not everyone can sustain the 2 round burst firing, or learn to control the spray pattern. more damage/knockback than the negev if you can control it. the advantage for npc killing is that if you can control it you can move quicker than if you have a negev and typically kill the npc right before needing to reload.... you can still avoid most npc attacks as your movement speed is not as slow as with the negev) R8 Revolver.... had some situations where is it super helpful like Santa after the lava on act 2 on the ramps... or places you need to make zombies fly!!!!! Edited November 19, 2018 by hotEvercLear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotEvercLear 194 / 4,723 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 also, thanks for the data. I find it helpful and appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onah 58 / 2,684 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 13 hours ago, FireStarter said: I hope that people will stop promoting M249 for boss fights/killing NPCs (for NPCs, as far as I understand, only the number of bullets that hit them matters, not the damage dealt, similar to boss fights). It depends on how the boss is set up, if the boss uses a math_counter for health then yeah only the number of bullets count. But if the boss/npc uses a breakable/physbox for its health then the damage dealt by the weapon is what matters. ->Off topic but there is a similar misconception with people thinking nades always do extra damage when they only do extra damage if the mapper set them to do extra damage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotEvercLear 194 / 4,723 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 Edited November 19, 2018 by hotEvercLear Onahole is correct. That is why I like asking when playing a map with a boss "Is this total hits, or total damage". 2 different situations, 2 different solutions/approaches. Same for NPCs. If they are a breakable object, there is a total damage value that must be reached for it to "break" and then the total damage inflicted by the weapon has a big impact vs. just a "rounds per min" factor to consider. You basically have multiple variables to consider when selecting the weapon that works best for you, and the data above is certainly a big factor... but not the only factor... 1. Rounds Per min (supported by data above) 2. Damage per second (diff set of data) 3. Reload Time 4. Clip/Magazine size 5. Movement Speed reduction (for avoiding bosses and jumping and stuff like that) 6. personal player style (Doorhugger, covering defender, front line defender) 7. Map you are playing (backpedal map, move and hold in place, choke point or open world, boosting concern, boss fight mechanics) Edited November 19, 2018 by hotEvercLear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryannn 103 / 4,213 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 If you're not knife out defending while facing the door what are u even doing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flops 386 / 7,269 Report Post Posted November 19, 2018 the answer is bizon moving negev standing p90 infinite ammo saved u from reading this autistic thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neiva 38 / 2,017 Report Post Posted November 23, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 9:16 AM, Flops said: the answer is bizon moving negev standing p90 infinite ammo saved u from reading this autistic thread P90 is good defending weapon too. It's down to preference :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vochihieu93 17 / 1,603 Report Post Posted December 13, 2018 I only use negev and ak. negev is for remote defense or bunker (i do not like being near zombie) and ak for boss in maps with boss moving (such as santa) if boss does not move i use negev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morningstar 39 / 1,754 Report Post Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, vochihieu93 said: ak for boss in maps with boss moving goodluck with boss fight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...