Im_not_ninja 32 / 2,308 Report Post Posted May 10, 2020 I feel like P90 is the better SMG because it has better fire rate, more accuracy, and versatile. Never mind the cost of the gun; because P90 has less recoil on rapid fire than Bizon itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora is smelly 192 / 5,018 Report Post Posted May 10, 2020 its not there was a spreadsheet made Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie2k 103 / 3,801 Report Post Posted May 10, 2020 bizon will forever be the best Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_not_ninja 32 / 2,308 Report Post Posted May 10, 2020 I respect your opinions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoBen 86 / 3,256 Report Post Posted May 10, 2020 Edited May 10, 2020 by ChicagoBen Pulling raw data from the famous csgo spreedsheet here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tDzUNBq9zIX6_9Rel__fdAUezAQzSnh5AVYzCP060c/edit?usp=sharing Bizon vs P90 breakdown Reloads Bizon: 2.13 seconds 1.24 seconds faster P90: 3.37 seconds Rate of fire Bizon: 750 BPM (A bullet every 0.08 seconds when firing) aka cycle time P90: 857.14 BPM (A bullet every 0.07 seconds when firing) Difference over 64 bullets is .64 seconds faster With reloading this makes Bizon 0.6 seconds faster. BPM calculated with reloading Bizon: ~509 BPM This equates to about ~4 % faster BPM with reloading P90: ~489 BPM Draw times **Time it takes to pull out guns (rebuys, switching weapons, etc.) Bizon: 1.1 seconds P90: 1.0 seconds 0.1 seconds faster Raw(Base) Damage: Bizon: 27 +1 damage at close range P90: 26 Range modifier (damage drop off over distance *units) Bizon: 0.800 P90: 0.860 0.60 better range modifier Distances when one smg does more or equal base damage to the other Bizon does more damage from approx 0-100 units (2.5m/8.2 feet) +1 Bizon damage 27/26 P90 does equal damage at 100 units (approx 2.5m or 8.2 feet) 25/25 damage P90 does more damage at 400 units and beyond (approx 10m or 33 feet) +1 P90 damage 23/22 Spray control in images Bizon Bizon has very different, and hard to master, spray control compared to almost every other weapon in the game. P90 P90 has a less curved spray control than bizon, especially first 10. Accuracy stats (there is a ton of stats on this so I will focus on main ones) Recoil: Backwards momentum of the gun when it fires bullets. Bigger number means worse recoil. Standing accuracy: Basically how accurate first shot is standing still. Max Standing fire inaccuracy: How accurate your worst shot is mid spray while standing. Running Accuracy: How accurate first shot is while running and standing up. Max Running Fire Inaccuracy: How accurate your worst shot is mid spray while running and standing. Recoil//Standing Accuracy//Max Standing fire inaccuracy//Running Accuracy//Max Running Fire Inaccuracy Bizon: 18 //15.00 //18.88 //42.57 //46.31 P90: 16 //14.65 //19.91 //45.65 //50.52 Better:P90 P90 Bizon Bizon Bizon Tapping stats (tapping is best way to fire at mid-long/long ranges with smgs) Tap Interval 0.170 seconds for both weapons. (Fastest you can Tap) Recovery Time Standing: After firing a bullet time it takes for accuracy to completely "reset" while standing Recovery Time Crouching: Same as above but for crouching. Recovery Time Stand// Recovery Time Crouching// Bizon: 0.3316 //0.2368 P90: 0.3721 //0.2658 Better:Bizon Bizon Rebuying Segment Cost of Bizon: 1400 $ (cmon admins!) Max Rebuys (11) Cost of P90: 2350 $ (6) Total amount of bullets possible with max rebuys Max bullets//Total time "rebuying"//Estimated Bullets per minute. Bizon: 704 //68.42 seconds //~617 BPM P90: 384 //32.88 seconds //~701 BPM ~12.6 % faster fire rate than bizon rebuying Better:Bizon Bizon 2.08 x longer P90 Conclusion: Both really strong weapons without rebuys. Clearly both can be viable in almost every situation in ze. Yes both are viable. Long range tapping is slightly better accuracy wise for bizion but it has way worse damage over distance than p90. Overall considering sprays, p90 is a better weapon for 1 taps or 10 and under bullet sprays. If you can fights zombies in a very close range and need the fast reload bizion is better, but for more mid range and being able to survive longer reloads p90 is better. ^^Ideally you want to use smgs as close as possible and being mid range with a smg is subpar for its role. Spray pattern is a underrated part as p90 is way easier to use for average player but its a hard thing to gauge statistically. P90 better rebuy weapon if u need more BPM in a 33 second window or damage beyond a 15 feet range. Bizon better rebuy spamming beyond 33 seconds and slightly more dps in a shotgun range. Why I did I do this? Well......I mean I made like 4 google docs for ze about a year ago trying to figure out a good balance on clip sizes/ price tags. So what do I know ? Use this knowledge however you like. Edited May 10, 2020 by ChicagoBen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loccstan 62 / 3,340 Report Post Posted May 15, 2020 Dont forget with Bizon you get higher movespeed 240 vs 230 for P90. That is pretty important advantage for bizon. asdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoBen 86 / 3,256 Report Post Posted May 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Loccstan said: Dont forget with Bizon you get higher movespeed 240 vs 230 for P90. That is pretty important advantage for bizon. I mean its about a 4 % difference its something, 230 is still acceptable speed only a 8% diff from 250, but I ignored it here because so many servers have modified weapon speeds that I didn't wanna bother making a list of weapon speeds. I did it in my next post anyway because I hate my free time. With the way the p90 works anyway you firing for less of the time so you could use that time to be running or positioning better. I think it balances out mostly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neiva 38 / 2,017 Report Post Posted May 16, 2020 Both are pretty good but I'd say Bizon is objectively superior. Depends on the server knockback settings and ammo counts as well, tap firing a p90 can be extremely powerful. I used to use the p90 exclusively but now I only use the Bizon. Just use what you feel like :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...