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Posted  Edited by ChicagoBen - Edit Reason: spellin/fixing the dmg/hs stacking mistake

So every living being has said my forum posts are too long so I'm going to make this short. The goal of this post is to bring up weapons that are not the best weapons in ZE to be at least competitive/something compared to the Bizons and top rifles of the world.  While some rifles are going to get minor 2% nerfs the overall goal of this post is raise other weapons up to make players feel like they can use most weapons in ZE and not be trolling because it's not the bizon or AK. 

 

Spreadsheet with all the suggestions in it.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CKZWpUYmEXHX4Z2EJailsjzMsRHUmyWonWuN4fHNnC8/edit?usp=sharing

 

Major overall suggestions

 

Sizeable pistol buff overall

If you size up every pistol in GFL right now in bullet rate and damage rate at close range with the SMG's its pretty telling why no one even thinks about or buys pistols right now. SMG's are just x2.5 better pistols in terms of the run and gun output.  You could balance pistols to have giant clips like 40 clip glocks like zeddys does, but most pistols you can't hold fire to shoot and have to break your finger to keep your bullet output up. That's really painful and too much work to do, so to balance pistols out I lean more into buffing the damage modifier to pretty high levels as seen on the bottom right of the picture here. From 49 % of the damage to 67 %

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Glock 

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Clip 20 24 / Damage x 1.0  1.2 / Price Tag 200$ /  Base Damage 36 / Max HS 144

Glock is one of 3 starting pistols and just like in Vanilla it should be the cheapest gun to get.  The 24 makes it dividable by 3 for those burst fire weirdos and sets its BPM equal to the elites. Damage makes it close range have a more respectable output of around 70 % of a the weakest smg while firing. 

 

USP-S

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Clip 12 16 / Damage x 1.0 1.21 / Price Tag 200$ /  Base Damage 42.4 / Max HS 169.4

USP-S has great accuracy and should be kept into its base design, keep its clip size low but its damage high to encourage players to focus on headshot tapping instead of spraying.

 

P2000

Spoiler

 

Clip 13 20 / Damage x 1.0 1.14 / Price Tag 200$ /  Base Damage 39.9 / Max HS 159.6

Very similar to the USP stat and accuracy wise but to separate them in-game I went with USP leaning more into damage and less clip  and P200 more clip and less damage. Like vanilla.

 

CZ-75a

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Clip 12 25 / Damage x 1.0 1.04 / Price Tag 500$ 800$ /  Base Damage 32.2 / Max HS 129

Giving the CZ a 25 clip is insane Ben that makes the cz basically a baby SMG. EXACTLY!  Most players pull out pistols in tough situations were you run out of ammo and need to quickly cover your own ass on the run when your primary is out. The CZ is shit at this because of its 1.83 draw time. So if your going to pull out a weapon that takes forever to come out for a gun that's supposed to be a quick save, it might as well be its own role. This role being it costs more like a SMG (Most smgs around 1000-1400) and with its draw time you have to commit to using this gun as a secondary combo for non mobile primaries like Snipers, Machine Guns, etc. Gives the gun the clear best BPM and about top 3 in damage with deagle and 5-7. Excited to see this change.

 

TEC9

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Clip 18 24 / Damage x 1.0 1.08 / Price Tag 500$ 400$ /  Base Damage 35.6 / Max HS 142.6

Giving it a 24 clip sets it BPM a far 5 % ish above elites with its not ass reload like elites with both sharing the same fast .12 cycle time.  Basically a smaller clip but faster reload elite. Set to 400 in part due keep it cheaper than elites which is the best pistol rebuy value if your insane  and rebuy pistols like me.

 

P250

Spoiler

 

Clip 13 18 / Damage x 1.0 1.06 / Price Tag 300$ /  Base Damage 40.3 / Max HS 161.1

Gun gets slightly less clip size and close range damage because it has good range damage compared to other pistols. A good all-arounder pistol. 

 

Deagle

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Clip 7 9 / Damage x 1.0 1.32 / Price Tag 700$ 400$ /  Base Damage 83.2 / Max HS 204.1  //  Headshot modifier 0.5 0.81

If you know anything about the Deagle is once you start spamming after 2-3 shots it gets crazy inaccurate so the raw damage can be a bit misleading outside of point blank in a zombies face, same with that insane 204 headshot damage if you are @Vauff because this gun has a 0.81 range modifier , at 500 units (37.5 feet) that damage is already 165 which is a pretty big dropoff so boosting with this weapon is far worse at range, and at close range it stinks with its slow .225 fire rate. Gun needs a bit more, especially since so many old source maps use deagles yet players never use em.  Base damage is literally the same as the old R8 with this.  Really wanna see this one. 

 

Elites

Spoiler

 

Clip 30 / Damage x 0.9 1.0 / Price Tag 400$ 500$ /  Base Damage 38 / Max HS 152

This gun is the standard of pistols in ZE. It was nerfed to make it more competitive when buying pistols but with no pistols getting worked on it was still the clear choice. It has a great damage output when firing, fires fast and amazing spraying accuracy and spray control makes it still likely the best option overall. With damage buff the price needs to be higher since rebuying elites is the 1 pistol that can output more damage than SMG's.

 

5-7

Spoiler

 

Clip 20 25 / Damage x 1.0 1.18 / Price Tag 500$ 300$ /  Base Damage 37.8 / Max HS 151

This gun just stinks normally with its average fire rate and low base damage. Even with these buffs this pistol is just an alternate like the glock or tec9 to elites if u want slightly more bullets overall. Its price reflects the fact I think this gun won't stick a perfect landing. Just a solid pistol at best with these buffs.  

 

R8

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Clip 8 / Damage x 1.0 1.47 / Price Tag 600$ /  Base Damage 126.4 / Max HS 196.1  //  Headshot modifier 0.4 0.57

Like the deagle I buffed the base damage but to the extreme. No clip changes and although you might think this gun is a boost gun, with its lower 196.1 HS max and its average .94 range modifier it's a poor long range booster. But what it's good at is just raw damage if you hit a zombie. Hitting like a 118 at range is like a headshot on a SMG  but as a body shot. Granted this gun has a .715 fire time on its accurate left click mode so it basically acts as a pocket sniper.  Hitting stuff as it is now with its normal 83 damage isn't that much. Hope this changes that. Also its rapid fire mode makes it deathly inaccurate so you either get high DMG for a pistol against zombies 2 feet of you (You might miss that) or  you have to wait .715 per shot for its accurate shots. Either way this would likely be hit with players just for pocket sniper potential.

 

 

Buffs to Snipers

If you are a sniper not named SCAR you likely suck right now. With the G3 having a 1.6 second longer reload than the SCAR most people don't even realize it's a weapon that exists (myself included),let alone use the scout or AWP to do anything but meme. Scout/AWP's for example have the worst damage rate point blank of even the nerfed to the ground shotguns, and it's not even close. Can't even meme with the guns since rifles boost 30 times better. 

 

Scout

Spoiler

 

Clip 10 15 / Damage x 1.0 1.52 / Price Tag 1,700$ /  Base Damage 133.8 / Max HS 172.5  //  Headshot modifier 0.35 0.49

Similar to the R8 one of the few ways you can buff the high base damage-low fire rate guns is by increasing base damage to very high levels while lowering headshot damage to the bare minimum of 1.25x bonus damage to keep those guns from being boost machines. Give it the extra 5 bullets to at least keep it on the same planet as the scar.

 

SCAR

Spoiler

 

Price Tag 5,000$ 4,500$

2 reasons to drop the price. 1 Vauff made it so you can't kill yourself for a free weapon or even pick up weapons on spawn so getting a negev or scar on spawn is brutal now since you invest so much into something you might use only 35 % of a round. 2 My suggestion for the G3 to get a 25 clip to cover its horrible reload vs the SCAR makes it a better rebuy if they both stay at 5k.

 

G3

Spoiler

 

Clip 20 25 / Damage x 0.9 / Price Tag 5,000$ /  Base Damage 72 / Max HS 128

Gun has a 1.6 second longer reload than the SCAR and basically the exact same stats everywhere else, so to help this gun out give it a +5 clip and while its still ~9 % less dmg over time it has more burst now. Makes the gun something besides a worse clone.  Technically better rebuy spam than SCAR if your insane.

 

AWP

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Clip 10 15 / Damage x 1.0 1.29 / Price Tag 4,750$ 4,000$ /  Base Damage 148.4 / Max HS 184 //  Headshot modifier 0.35 0.4

Exact same boat as the scout, but even higher base damage and lower fire rate, so only solution is crank up the base damage while keeping the headshot damage at the max limits for boosting.  Drop the price to be less of a backbreaker if we confident that people can't boost with this gun.

 

 

Strong Suggestions

 

MP5 getting 70 clip!

MP5

Spoiler

 

Clip 55 70 / Damage x 1.05 0.98 / Price Tag 1,500$ 1,800$ /  Base Damage 26.5/ Max HS 105.8

MP5 with 55 clip and 1.05x damage is struggling and is clearly lagging behind in both damage and bullet rate to meta smgs. Looking over solutions the coolest solution I could think of was this. With a clip of 70 and a 0.98x damage modifier. It's damage falls more in line with other accurate smg's like the mp9 while giving it a bullet rate that is still under 2 % of the bizons due to its .5 second longer reload than the bizon.  This becomes the accurate version of the bizons constant firing smg style. 

 

 

AK/M4/M4S minor nerfs

These guns dominate the meta. Every top defender I see is spamming these weapons and I can't blame them. These guns hit the hardest when firing and this plus the problem of rifle boosting you might as well drop the damage a few % with some minor price adjustments.  M4S needs a bigger nerf to separate it more from the M4A1. If both have same clip size and damage values you will take the one with 30 % more accuracy every time. As you see in game far more M4S over A1's

 

Rifle changes

Spoiler

 

AK-47

Clip 40 / Damage x 1.1 1.08 / Price Tag 2,700$ 2,500$ /  Base Damage 38.9 / Max HS 155.5

M4A1

Clip 40 / Damage x 1.12 1.1 / Price Tag 3,100$ 2,500$ /  Base Damage 36.3 / Max HS 145.2

M41A-S

Clip 40 / Damage x 1.12 1.07 / Price Tag 2,900$ /  Base Damage 35.3 / Max HS 141.2

 

 

Minor Suggestions

 

Make XM decent with minor knockback potential as a test run for shotguns @Vauff   (Rifles still way better to boost with btw)

XM

Spoiler

 

Clip 7 10 / Damage x 1.0 1.55 / Price Tag 2,000$ /  Base Damage 186 / Max HS 230.4  //  Headshot modifier 0.35 0.48

Shotguns are just piles of crap right now. With xm having the lowest base damage of shotguns can we buff the base damage as high as we can go/lower headshot rate to lowest of 1.25x and get this just before it could be considered boostable and see how it plays out ? Buff clips size as well to see how the reloading works. I ask this to see if we can make a shotgun justtttt ok enough to not be poop. 

 

 

P90/MP7 Damage buffs

P90

Spoiler

 

Clip 64 / Damage x 1.00 1.02 / Price Tag 2,350$ 2,000$ /  Base Damage 26.5 / Max HS 106.1

P90 is slightly underperforming damage wise, could use a small buff to damage since its not even close to mp9s damage and that gun is more accurate and more bullets overall than p90, also gun is way overpriced (its 2350$ !!!)

 

Mp7

Spoiler

 

Clip 55 / Damage x 1.00 1.05 / Price Tag 1,500$ 1,400$ /  Base Damage 30.5 / Max HS 121.8

Same boat as the P90, underperforming in both damage and bullet count. All while having the worst running speed of smgs by far at 220. It's basically at rifle speed for a smg which is a huge disadvantage for a weapon class all about speed.  So these buffs would keep it more as an alternate ump at a bit more range. More punch with it's speed/rpm drawbacks to keep it in line. 

 

 

Aug/SG556/Galil Damage buffs

Galil 

Spoiler

 

Clip 40 / Damage x 1.15 1.17 / Price Tag 1,800$ /  Base Damage 35.1 / Max HS 140.4

Least accurate rifle in the game getting a bit more damage to be slightly less than the ak or m4 changes nothing just a slight bump. Damage makes it more in line as a less accurate m4a1. Cheaper than all other rifles though. 

 

SG556

Spoiler

 

Clip 35 / Damage x 1.15 1.18 / Price Tag 3,000$ /  Base Damage 35.4 / Max HS 141.6

Gun has bad fire rate and is still worst rifle when firing in terms of damage.  Just a weird rifle with its bad fire rate you get super uncomfortable with zombies close even compared to an AUG. Either way scoped rifle does do decent damage when tapping but just a bit more damage to get the damage rate, when firing, more in line in it's class.

AUG

Spoiler

 

Clip 35 / Damage x 1.20 1.27 / Price Tag 3,300$ 3,000$ /  Base Damage 35.6 / Max HS 142.2

Gun has by far worst reload of rifles and it kinda still cripples it vs the main 3 rifles in terms of damage. It's not in a horrible spot but it does struggle at times to keep up with its main rival the m4s. All these damage buffs keep rifles in about the same damage per shot, minus the scoped rifles reloading and -5 clip size as the balancing act. 

 

Other weapon price changes

Mac10-1,050 to 1,150$ Is a better rebuy at 1,050 than even bizon in every scenario. 

MP9   -1,250 to 1,100$ It's a terrible rebuy weapon even with this price drop, worst damage and bullet output so only buy to commit to it.

UMP -1,200 to 1,350$   Best rebuy for close range damage at 1,200$.

Famas 2,050 to 1,900$

M249 from 5,200$ to 3,700$

Da fk is it 5,200 man?

 

Post thoughts on anything and I pray you didn't read all of this. Thank you for not banning me for spreadsheet spam 😀

 

Edited by ChicagoBen
spellin/fixing the dmg/hs stacking mistake

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Based? Based on what? In your dick? Please shut the fuck up and use words properly you fuckin troglodyte, do you think God gave us a freedom of speech just to spew random words that have no meaning that doesn't even correllate to the topic of the conversation? Like please you always complain about why no one talks to you or no one expresses their opinions on you because you're always spewing random shit like poggers based cringe and when you try to explain what it is and you just say that it's funny like what? What the fuck is funny about that do you think you'll just become a stand-up comedian that will get a standing ovation just because you said "cum" in the stage? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT, so please shut the fuck up and use words properly you dumb bitch
 

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On 5/3/2021 at 9:14 PM, ChicagoBen said:

fack u let me suffer in silence. 

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Based? Based on what? In your dick? Please shut the fuck up and use words properly you fuckin troglodyte, do you think God gave us a freedom of speech just to spew random words that have no meaning that doesn't even correllate to the topic of the conversation? Like please you always complain about why no one talks to you or no one expresses their opinions on you because you're always spewing random shit like poggers based cringe and when you try to explain what it is and you just say that it's funny like what? What the fuck is funny about that do you think you'll just become a stand-up comedian that will get a standing ovation just because you said "cum" in the stage? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT, so please shut the fuck up and use words properly you dumb bitch
 

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