Disabling spec to get back on Gametracker

[1mpact 107 / 3,838]

Not an opinion just some points. 

 

- About the point that an active spectator is just as important as an active player, while both abided by the rules and enjoyed their time on the server differently, it was still a problem. If the server had say 10 specs then there would probably be 50-54 players on either team which can make some maps very difficult and lowers the overall quality of the "GFL experience" as opposed to 64 players. Very few people would rather there were 20 server slots, and spectators basically lowered the effective server slots (players who are actively playing) on a lesser scale. 

 

- The biggest downfall is that people can't learn from spectating a more experienced player.

 

- A lot of the socialising done from spec can be easily done in discord, although it might not be as entertaining without ze to watch.

[Flairieve 2 / 2,224]

While disabling spec does get rid somewhat of the AFK problem, people taking player slots and the gametracker issue, it has some negatives to it.

 

If you want to learn how to play a map, you would either have to play it on singleplayer, watch a youtube video on it (with hoping that there is one on the map), or just blindly run through it hoping you would survive. With a lot of maps having obstacles to them, you will have a high likely chance of dying on the map. With spectating, these issues are solved, and you can learn from other people playing the map very fast.

 

Though I do have a suggestion, if gametracker is detecting spectating players as idle, why not make a ghost mode where people can be invisible, can walk and fly around but can't enable triggers and affect zombies at all?

[Lies GDR 1 / 628]

10 hours ago, Flairieve said:

Though I do have a suggestion, if gametracker is detecting spectating players as idle, why not make a ghost mode where people can be invisible, can walk and fly around but can't enable triggers and affect zombies at all?

That's a lot of fucking work just to avoid a gametracker ban

[Flairieve 2 / 2,224]

I don't think it's a gametracker ban and also there is already a ghosting mode on other GFL csgo servers?

[Vauff 965 / 17,011]

I've literally stated in the first reply this change isn't about GameTracker.

 

Not sure why you guys are so hung up on that still.

[foreX 36 / 2,594]

On 8/7/2019 at 5:38 PM, Vauff said:

I've literally stated in the first reply this change isn't about GameTracker.

 

Not sure why you guys are so hung up on that still.

 

Because it's a disingenuous statement. Sure, the server is damn near always full during peak hours especially if a popular map is being played, but even I've noticed the lows are now lower during non-peak hours since this happened and I don't even play ZE or CSGO as much these days. Spectate had been the same for YEARS. I remember when the server wasn't always full or anywhere close to being #1 on GameTracker. All of a sudden there's a sudden change in policy that coincides with the GameTracker exclusion. That's why people are bringing it up. Please know that I'm not attacking you. I'm just stating the obvious that your original statement is kinda sorta head in the sand that any objective person would question.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2019 by foreX

[DUSTY 170 / 4,093]

Something I see beginning to happen here is that the server has become too easy to join. Before you say that was the point, think about why it was always full. People used to have to stay for hours because the server slot was so valuable they didn't want to leave for risk of not being able to rejoin. You have now taken that away and thus the demand to play here is dwindling.

 

Play with fire and the server that has carried this clan might burn you.

[reduct 600 / 7,862]

Reminder to stop bashing each other and/or posting irrelevant posts. 

[ReivaX 63 / 2,626]

Sooooooo...

 

as of right now, anyone can spec for a short period of time, providing there is less than a max of 3 specs already.

 

if it's not about the game tracker thing, why make it 3 people max, you already have your timer on speccing.

 

Also,  the timer in spec is for one minute, before you have to wait 5 minutes to spec again. 

 

Can i have suggest a 1 minutes cooldown, to equal the time allowed in spec, reward those who are active sitting in spec for a minute instead of sitting one minute in spec before spending the next 5 afk in the zm tp.

[FireStarter 69 / 3,174]

19 hours ago, ReivaX said:

if it's not about the game tracker thing, why make it 3 people max, you already have your timer on speccing.

 

Btw, if you read Gametracker rules ("My server is banned or removed from ranking" thread from Guides & FAQs forum section), you will see that they don't provide a specific number of spectators ("idle players") padding stats that is considered excessive. They only provide a specific number (three) for "fake players or undetected bots".

[ReivaX 63 / 2,626]

@FireStarter  i actually wrote an intersting article on gametracker about the speccing rule, it was a good read. However i get the feeling, that GFL admins will pay as much heed to my suggestions here as the GT admins took to my suggestions there.

Not that it matters thou, the amount of people i see staying dead is hilarious, and the admins dont really check for it... So that's why i guess nothing is really being done. 

 

"How do i spec?"

 

"Just join CT twice"

 

"Ahh! Cheers"

 

Rip that first guy. If he ever gets banned.

 

I can only assume if our lord and saviours want to enforce this regularly, they'd need to make mince meat out of the first guy to justify smaller actions in the future.

 

As it stands now, admins are few and far between, and when they're on they are often sitting in spec, leading, tryharding or chatting and rarely scroll to the bottom of the scoreboard to where these speccers reside. 

 

That being said, i would suggest some notice educating players of this change before you start banning people willy-nilly.

 

That being said, you'll probs just ignore it anyway as it doesnt affect the server as a whole. 

 

BTW- Zombies cant lead right? or if they can it's pretty hard to, unless you're an xoe legend. So leading from spec was a cool thing people did. 

 

I lead as zombie because i have a lot of practice... FUCKIN MICROWAVE

 

Anyway, now teams are less equiped with leaders should they become zombies, or die during the round. Not effecting older players mind you, just the newer ones that will hopefully keep this community ticking. But hey! If you're looking for ways to shoot yourself in the foot i can help!! 

 

Yours faithfully,

Public Enemy No. 1

Edited August 29, 2019 by ReivaX
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[akphilo 46 / 2,193]

On 8/4/2019 at 12:21 AM, Vauff said:

This has been stated multiple times on Discord now, but I figure it needs to be said on forums as well.

 

We didn't disable spectate just because GT deranked the server, spectating has been an issue on the server for a while now and it's only been slowly getting worse over the past 2 years. The derank has just finally kicked us into action of finally dealing with it. With how in-demand the server is while being full a good chunk of the time, it doesn't make sense to allow people to spectate when those people could instead be replaced by the people wanting to get in the server and actually play. Not to mention, there are people who go into spec and treat the server more of a chatroom while just waiting for a tryhard map they want to play come on, or who just don't want to play zombie.

 

And if spectate is truly needed for something, admins are now able to move people to spectate with proper reason if needed (e.g. zombie wants to keep leading humans).

 

If this had been purely about the GT derank, we wouldn't have cared, at best we get a minimal amount of players joining from there.

 

very nice  to hear. too bad gfl admoons didnt make the right choice to go against the spectator situation right away. luckily you were forced into action.

 

fuck everyone who jumps onto spec if you get zombified.

 

e1

 

too many mistakes im editing a lot im semi tipsy

Edited August 30, 2019 by akphilo

[bb_IU 106 / 2,869]

1 hour ago, akphilo said:

 

very nice  to hear. too bad gfl admoons didnt make the right choice to go against the spectator situation right away. luckily you were forced into action.

 

fuck everyone who jumps onto spec if you get zombified.

 

e1

 

too many mistakes im editing a lot im semi tipsy

 

hello mr ninja vanish

[akphilo 46 / 2,193]

On 8/30/2019 at 9:50 PM, bb_IU said:

 

hello mr ninja vanish

herro

 

well now we have people who have a script (?) that makes the model run in a small circle. not gonna drop a name

[Neiva 38 / 2,017]

Chicago Ben summed it all up nicely.

 

If anyone played Nide during the Pivo days, they will know exactly what the server could turn into. Everybody who is infected just goes into spectate, leaving only 1-2 zombies actually playing making it boring for everyone and potentially ending the round if they die. To combat this, more mother zombies are chosen and the settings made harder which then unbalances things. Maps have contributed this also as zombies are just shoved in a corner during lengthy boss fights, lasers etc. and there's no real motivation to play so they alt-tab or go AFK. Then those who actually play as a zombie get called a tryhard and it's incredibly frustrating to see.

 

I see Gkuo's post was deleted but I think he has a decent point. I do believe Bhop has a part to play in this, but not for GFL CS:GO. I think an unlocked velocity cap (while fun), fundamentally breaks the game.

[DUSTY 170 / 4,093]

On 8/3/2019 at 9:24 PM, ChicagoBen said:

1 Problem with the culture is specing players don't wanna play as the other half in zombie escape, its in the name of the mode but people don't wanna play as them, that is a fatal problem. 

 

On 8/4/2019 at 12:58 PM, Loco said:

no point playing as a zombie on the map.

 

On 8/4/2019 at 2:07 PM, Tllusion said:

There's typically like 14+ people in spec constantly after they either become a zombie

 

On 8/4/2019 at 8:48 PM, The Q-man said:

People join spec because playing as a zombie is so shit.

 

On 8/30/2019 at 1:08 PM, akphilo said:

fuck everyone who jumps onto spec if you get zombified.

 

13 minutes ago, Neiva said:

Everybody who is infected just goes into spectate

 

So it hasn't gone unnoticed how flawed the gamemode is. Rather than disabling a feature that has been available since the beginning of time and thinking you've solved your GT and AFK player problem, why is it still ignored that people just don't want to play as zombie? It's right in front of you yet nobody wants to acknowledge it. Spectate is the effect of the problem, it is not THE problem.

[Ninja Chris 249 / 0]

bhop should be uncapped and you are all bad, prove me wrong.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Ninja Chris

[Loco 117 / 3,321]

Oh boi don't bring guko down here again

[DUSTY 170 / 4,093]

@Loco

As one of what 2 admins that were even here back when there were zombie points was that not when the server was taking off? It was fun playing both ct and zombie and that's why the server was so successful. Half the enjoyment was taken out because some people complained about inflating, and it became a shitfest of lasers and  tryhard ct maps because the community was trying to compensate for the loss of enjoyment for the gamemode. Points can be tinkered with, but was never even brought up when the whole complaints against inflating was even a topic. I'm telling you now the results of a rushed decision have been culminating to where we are today, having to disable spec to make it appear like people are actually playing on the server. Long ago are the times of admins slapping zombies standing still and that was the only kicking that ever had to be done. People stayed on the server and played for hours resulting in donations for reserved slot and actual threads about new skins that could be added, and don't forget how advantageous your colors plugin was. This is what led to the meteoric rise of GFL, which has since plateaued if not declined due to a stale gamemode running at half-power.

[Ninja Chris 249 / 0]

the server really declined when there wasn't enough westersand