Council and their complete screw ups.

[EnderAsteroid 51 / 0]

Yoooo.

 

Welcome to the #demotedgang 

 

[Rhysin_ 540 / 13,208]

7 minutes ago, Gumb4ll'98 said:

Was Duck only able to access TTT-MC-Staff when they became discord mod? So I guess they spent their time as discord mod trying to grab "Gotcha" content for people he disliked. So much for keeping private matters private.

Discord Mods (at least now) can't see all channels. So he wouldn't be able to see MC-Staff because he was discord mod.
Edit: Poor english bleh, discord mod wouldn't have given him the perms to see staff chats

Edited December 28, 2020 by BlazingArson

[Joshy 4,368 / 44,996]

I wish you didn't post this.

 

I think you bring up a few good points in areas we can all work on.  Some of these problems we're already working on it.  I think any of the ones lacking progress could have been very constructive 2-3 threads in the proper areas with some time (you don't want to drop all of  your grenades at once).  I'm not sure if any of these are eye-openers revealing a totally broken community.

[Salad 1,132 / 19,007]

Hello everyone! Just going to jump right in on this thread, and will be sharing many screenshots where neccesary:

3 hours ago, Duck. said:

I was treated like an absolute cunt during this whole thing by Salad, Infra and Liloz as they put it down to me being mad I was demoted, when that wasn't it at all. I was mad at the lack of communication the Council had said they wanted. When I said this, I was "omegalul'd" to death and told "Communication was the announcement", "Communication isn't needed"

To make this abundantly clear, we listened to the community about their complaints of transparency and communication and admitted that we made a mistake in how we handled that decision. I personally went to every single Discord moderator who was demoted and apologized for this, and you accepted the apology. 

I am confused as to why you would bring this up once again, when I and most everyone else has tried our hardest to move past this, yet here you are bringing it up once more in an attempt to strengthen this argument.

 

3 hours ago, Duck. said:

Things were good for a month or so after that, until Salad (Again) decided to do whatever he wanted and promoted his friend, JG, into the Social Media Team. This may not seem like a bad thing, but he never applied, he was just given the role. The reasoning for this is that he helped set up the Twitch, but an app should've been made and I bet it would've been accepted anyway, but Salad felt the need to skip this, not taking into account how his team would like it. And one team member who I won't name spoke up about it, saying that it felt unfair that he was just promoted with no app and that it could make others who did apply and were accepted/denied feel lesser because of it. I then said it's Council promoting who they want and no one gets a say, then proceeded to say that apps should be made regardless of the person to be fair to the other Team Members. I was told by Salad not to comment because I'm not a part of the Social Media Team, completely invalidating me even though this wasn't a team specific issue, this was a Salad wanting his friend to be promoted. Salad then proceeded to dismiss his team members feelings with "corporate sounding babble". My "going off" on Salad here led to my first demotion from Gmod Discord Moderator, which was weird as it had nothing to do with that role, but because Salad is a Senior Mod (temp mod btw), he had a say in it and advocated for my demotion despite his clear hatred of me. I was then almost demoted from SM too until I left every discord except from Gmod, Staff and Teams, and promised to watch what I say and keep things to DMs.

 

Here we have an example of you inserting yourself into a situation because you dislike me. You say that "Salad (Again) decided to do whatever he wanted..." Which is provably false. I did not make this decision alone. @Infra was just as involved in the decision as I was. So your narrative of me/Council being the root of all of your problems is weakening by the minute. You say I dismissed Joel's feelings, which is provably false:

Here you see joels complaint being made, however Infra and I were both asleep when it occurred so you interjected on something that could've been handled by the people involved.

 

after a bit more discussion here's another screenshot of the same conversation minutes later:

After the matter, Infra and I spoke to Joel privately and listened to his concerns and apologized fully to him, all which was going to happen much more privately and with a lot less of attention had you not interjected into a situation that you had no place in joining. A mountain was created out of a molehill by you.

 

I'm now going to address your claims that I am the reason you received your demotions. I am HEAVILY involved in several of the aspects of the community, such as holding a moderation position as well as a council position. As I told you in our DMs which you posted publicly on this thread already, I was not the only person involved. I don't have an all powerful say to get someone demoted. I can only provide the evidence necessary to prove why someone is unfit to hold a position, which is evidence you've provided on many occasions.

4 hours ago, Duck. said:

I should've kept everything to Internal

You acknowledge that you should've kept everything internal/in DMS , yet continue to say negative things about those you do not trust?

Here's a screenshot for context on what was said about me in the TTT Rotation chat in the GMOD Discord:

Serenity changed his profile picture to match mine as a joke, and Waylon said that Serenity was a knock off Salad, and then enters Duck with a jab at me, something he should be wary of doing considering our history. 

To which I responded:

And then Duck came straight to my DMs assuming that I was "out to get him" for "criticizing me" :

You are the one who provoked this situation, as you did with all of the other ones pertaining me. You made the snarky comment in GMOD Discord, you DM'd me about it.

 

For a little backstory on some of the other fun times Duck has aired his "criticisms" of me publicly, lets take a trip down memory lane with one specific instance, that of me becoming a GMOD Server Manager:

This all occurred in the Main GFL Discord general text channel.

Duck assumed that I received my manager position due to favoritism, when I am the one who discovered and brought the gamemoded to Pyros, and who expressed interest in managing the Server. Yet another flawed criticism handled very poorly by a Server Manager in a public place.

He then proceeded to go into the GFL Teams Discord server, where he continued his rant, only to be shut down yet again due to his criticisms that all base around his dislike for me.

(Side note: Notice how I am the one criticisized by Duck? Infra was present and is my CO TL for Social Media, Pyros is the Division Leader who selected me to become a Server Manager, yet I receive the backlash? )

 

4 hours ago, Duck. said:

It just feels like once a member of Council wants you gone, the rest will fall in line to make it happen.

 

Once a single member of Council brings to light the poor judgement, behavior, and all around character of someone who is a Server Manager of GFL, the rest tend to fall in line as there is proof upon proof upon proof. 

 

You attempted to go over Ben's head to Nick and even Roy over your demotion from moderator and had a nice lengthy conversation with Nick about your behavior and the way you conduct yourself, and you yourself once again could not hold a civil conversation and air your grievances in a professional and contained manner, and continued to act out publicly after being informed it was not the proper thing to do, regardless of if it was a joke you made about me or not. 

 

I could go on, however I have not received permission to post any other staff chat conversations, so I will leave it at this for now. The points I didn't touch on are points that have nothing to do with me, so I have no place to speak on them without knowing the full story, something that more people need to think about when replying.

 

Feel free to respond to any of my points and piles of screenshots.

[Rhysin_ 540 / 13,208]

2 hours ago, BlazingArson said:

(though for different reasons as I haven't seen proof of these)

I want to expand upon why I don't see those screenshots as proof worthy of demotion
The screenshot under "transphobic" is uncouth and not right to say. Although I don't think he is genuinely transphobic and was just making a very bad joke, it being a joke doesn't make it not right to say. However, 1 comment like that isn't demotion worthy, definitely worth a private discussion given his high position though.
As for the "breaking his own rules", the screenshot is pretty iffy, but he doesn't address who he kos'd and just says he had said the kos. It's still iffy that he said that but he didn't give them any real info that would be ghosting.
And he was talked two and did have a suspension from his position I believe, so he did get punished for his excessive poor behavior, and, apparently, he cleaned up his act and learned to be a better SM.
I have my grievances with Jinzu but even I can recognize that he has gotten better after his initial mistakes, something you have, honestly, failed to do.

Edited December 28, 2020 by BlazingArson

[Duck. 489 / 0]

Thank you for the screenshots, I kinda lost mine somewhere. Even with those, you leave out a lot of details that I'll get into when I'm home. They're framed to make me look as horrible as possible, so I'll be providing some context.

[EnderAsteroid 51 / 0]

5 hours ago, Duck. said:

Jinzu is someone who has been openly racist on the server he manages (saying the N word on the server and then blaming it on being drunk),

Gotta be honest, you most likely have the wrong person. Even so, the Jinzu shit happened and was already dealt with well. Like Arson has stated, he has cleaned up his act, unlike you. 

[Joshy 4,368 / 44,996]

I'm not sure about Duck's chances after a thread like this, but probably a good reminder if anyone has something they want to work on or change I think the next community representative election is around April.  If elected, then they would have a seat on council and have a say louder voice on some of these topics.  It apparently worked really well for some of the people being discussed in this thread and I even heard that some people who may have been demoted or banned in the past did well in the last election 😉 ; so: maybe some of the applications aren't totally dead in the water.

[Bloopers 10 / 1,922]

6 hours ago, Duck. said:

Someone with a preconceived hatred and bias of me got to decide whether or not I retained my roles.

 

It definitely does not seem fair nor fun when this happens, huh? Trying to appeal to someone that does not like you is not easy. I understand our personalities are quite different, but what we both lack is having a fair and unbiased trial. Given I do not know the full context of anything that was argued or claimed, I do know that anything said in your post was how you felt, yourself. I, too, feel like my past actions are only being taken into consideration, rather than the change that is being made.  In short, you are feeling exactly what I do, given our situations are different.

 

In agreeance with some other members, Duck is a good SM; he takes care of the server and gives it regular updates and tries to appeal to the community.  I understand how my actions have their effects on people, and Duck was not going to tolerate a toxic player. I do not blame Duck for his actions towards me, but I do wish everything was done out of a professional manner as that of a SM.

 

 

[Alexis 578 / 12,012]

 

@Bue. wasn't really the only one getting told off on for, "climbing ranks" either.

 

 

My recent activity has majorly decreased due to the way the servers player activity has been. I've every now and then have established myself into the server to help repopulate it but seeing how it was and with other things in my life, has definitely dried me up in terms of my activity and I'd like to Apologize. 

 

 

I never understood the appeal of me sucking up to higher ups came from. I was expanding myself in the community and making friends. I made mistakes that I could of corrected and handled differently and I even went and apologized and tried discussing it with you. Eventually, I had given up on that. You kept berating me about how hungry for power I have been and eventually it deterred me from trying to fix our broken friendship because you're so set on what you have, "seen before" that it completely clouds your judgement on others.

 

This isn't the first time you've went ahead and told me off for going to public places and to call someone out, but you've previously outside of GMod Discord server and, called me out discreetly about how I'm hungry for power and that, "they know who they are." There are also some times where you went to the forums and made comments like these.

 

Like I've said, I apologize to anyone I've wronged, and those who I upset during that time. But personally, I've felt it was time I had said how you behaved towards me and towards others around the community. Even during your time as a Discord Moderator, instead of disuading the argument between you and a banned member from Rotation, you continued to argue with him, even going as far as telling people to ignore him and that his opinion doesn't matter because said player is banned. 

 

I'm only extending on behalf on how judgemental you are, you really need to work on it and how you view others. You were a good SM, working hard to help the server grow and giving up your small amount of free time to the server and I appreciate it.

 

 

And I know I have my issues, but I'm working on those too and will continue to do so.

[VilhjalmrF 2,099 / 30,689]

Today on a big fucking mistakes, this entire thread. I feel like at this point enough has already been said. Nick, Pyros, and some others basically cleared up most of it. And whatever that is left out should be only discussed with those involved. I do see some positive outcomes of talking about these issues and trying to find a solution for them publicly, but I feel like at this point (in this thread specifically) it's more like "let's bash Duck's brains out with other shit he has done wrong." But that's just  me.

Edited December 28, 2020 by VilhjalmrF

[Rhysin_ 540 / 13,208]

10 minutes ago, VilhjalmrF said:

Today on a big fucking mistakes, this entire thread. I feel like at this point enough has already been said. Nick, Pyros, and some others basically cleared up most of it. And whatever that is left out should be only discussed with those involved. I do see some positive outcomes of talking about these issues and trying to find a solution for them publicly, but I feel like at this point (in this thread specifically) it's more like "let's bash Duck's brains out with other shit he has done wrong." But that's just  me.

 

I do agree it is wrong to publicly shame Duck for everything that he has done wrong
This is why I stuck to just what was mentioned by Duck.
However, closing the thread before Duck can respond would just be silencing his concerns.
And I also find that wrong.
We might be able to close the thread until Duck has time to respond to everything like he said he would though.

[VilhjalmrF 2,099 / 30,689]

6 minutes ago, BlazingArson said:

I do agree it is wrong to publicly shame Duck for everything that he has done wrong
This is why I stuck to just what was mentioned by Duck.
However, closing the thread before Duck can respond would just be silencing his concerns.
And I also find that wrong.
We might be able to close the thread until Duck has time to respond to everything like he said he would though.

Good enough for me to wait and see what he hits us with. While we wait you wanna practice holding hands?

[Salad 1,132 / 19,007]

Just want to quickly add this to the mountain of screenshots I've posted. This is from the Council chat in the wonderful GFL Staff discord. We were discussing who to ask back from the previous Moderation team, and I myself clearly say that I was willing to allow you Duck to rejoin the team provided his behavior improved, so we gave him a second chance, and I proceeded to messgae him to let him know he was going to be accepted, to which he responded politely.

Once his behavior showed no signs of improvement, he was demoted. To say that I have a bias against you is provably false. I wanted to give you a chance and have tried to be nothing but pleasant in our few interactions as of recently, only for you to continue to throw around snarky comments about me that you consider "jokes". 

 

For example, you created holiday themed Discord icons for a few of our community Discords, and I asked if you had the original files so that I could make some for our other discords (I ended up being too busy to actually get it done though lol)

I truly have tried to be nothing but nice to you since your demotion from mod but you continue to hold past mistakes over my head and others heads. We are all human, and for you to say that I have this unprovoked anti Duck campaign that I am running in GFL is completely and utterly false.

[JuicyBenny 91 / 0]

Im going to be talking personal experience. with reading not alot of above me but a decent bit cause reading is hard. im slow
 

I had alot of respect for you when you went into your manager position, infact i said for a long time after you were the best in the position to do it. That soon was shown to be conflicting. You handled situations poorly in my estimation as a regular amongst the server, Im aware of my history. im aware i should be no one to judge behavior, however i also recognize what ive done wrong and ask what i need to improve on and do it.

You had multiple times where people had told you issues before you ignored it and even when they reminded you. I even constantly for a while had to keep reminding you because you "forgot" all those occasions. you then got up in britches with people for it. Getting upset people keep telling you the same things. yet you never fixed those things, then ask in the discord what needs to be changed, what do people want. You would get upset for people not saying anything or reporting anything when it happened yet they did. you just ignored it.

You decided to take in server drama to the discord for no reason other than to boost ego. In my case you decided to personally go at me even when i was in a period of working on myself and helping people when need be. you labeled me toxic and misquoted me on multiple occasions. You had laughed and mocked concerns i brought up or questions i asked just because of my history and id say you made potential for encouragement of others to do the same to me. You even talked shit about me when i wasent around. Made fun of people talking kindly about me for how fun i was.

I understood i have a bad history and theres not alot of excuses for some of my actions. Ive admitted fault to them yet you labeled me as playing a victim. Yet i never saw you once untill this forum...where you said somethings you shouldent have done. this is the first time ive seen you admit fault and its a half assed fault because of your justifications. Other than that ive never seen you take fault when the fault is yours. I was hoping some of this was going to show a little bit of that duck i knew a long while ago but its not. its the same shit dude.

I feel bad, cause i know i probably didnt make it any easier even though i tried to change myself and part of it was for you. because of my aspirations to be a part of the staff team. Yet you ignored every instance of it, and only focused on the bad portions of people.

 

Oh and before you ask for screenshots. You know i dont have any.  Cause you told me a while ago during my time of wanting to change how i am said i need to "let go of petty grudges" and said i should delete my "issues" folder. which contained all sorts of screenshots. All of them ingame. All the discord ones were infront of moderators themselves so they know those. It pains me because you always used that. Yet when i asked you for screenshots of things i did or said you could never provide yourself.

I wish you well in whatever you do after this. Cause i can say i have no confidence in you ever returning as a manager of Rotation/Modded. Not after this. Though i cant say. im just a banned player. my opinion is invalid, right?

[Duck. 489 / 0]

Almost home, but some big lies being told here, will clear those up after I get my dinner 

[RivalRevival 986 / 13,694]

Since drake hid my last one ill find a better way to say this:

 

You had every right to be demoted. Especially throughout the last 3 months. I'm surprised they got to it now, but thats how it works when you're busy. 

 

I have my own issues with council, but the way things are done about it; it isn't this, chief. And realistically you dont have any room to talk whatsoever. 

 

To reiterate, get help. 

Kisses

[Rena 2,779 / 33,683]

Since there's censorship going around, I'll rephrase.

 

Don't bring topic such as these to the public as it goes against you and only you. It's pointless petty drama.

[TheJitFace 699 / 18,162]

I understand if mods are hiding posts if they contain insults or slurs, but don't hide it and make the reason "Too controversial" or something like that. Not saying anyone did that, but again don't do that. Also again, do not lock this thread.

[Rhysin_ 540 / 13,208]

2 minutes ago, TheJitFace said:

I understand if mods are hiding posts if they contain insults or slurs, but don't hide it and make the reason "Too controversial" or something like that. Not saying anyone did that, but again don't do that. Also again, do not lock this thread.

The forum mods know what they are doing. They are hiding posts seen as unproductive, unnecessarily spiteful, or off-topic.